Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Don't sleep on Toronto yet. Canada is brimming with football talent. They are a sleeping giant I tell ya.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130628/canadian-football-recruiting/?sct=uk_t11_a1

 

[OHSportsFan]

Don't sleep on Toronto yet. Canada is brimming with football talent. They are a sleeping giant I tell ya.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130628/canadian-football-recruiting/?sct=uk_t11_a1

I'm sold.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

A factoid from the Wall Street Journal (07/02/2013, no link available):

55%
The projected percentage of the U.S. population that will be living in Atlantic Coast Conference territory by 2030, according to ACC commissioner John Swofford.

A good explanation of why the Big Ten is looking to expand into ACC territory, namely Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

A factoid from the Wall Street Journal (07/02/2013, no link available):


A good explanation of why the Big Ten is looking to expand into ACC territory, namely Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia.

What is considered ACC territory? States that have schools in the ACC or adjacent states too? Florida, NC, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Mass., New York, etc. I mean sure, that's a ton of folks. But they can't really deliver much of that market. Demography is always changing in the US, it is unlikely that the shift away from the Rust Belt is permanent (though it may occur for long enough to seem that way).

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

A factoid from the Wall Street Journal (07/02/2013, no link available):


A good explanation of why the Big Ten is looking to expand into ACC territory, namely Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia.

Very interesting, as far as an ACC network, that would mean a ton of cash. As far as anything else (recruiting, 1st/2nd tier media money) it means very little. They are still a small fish in the pool in most of their markets:

Indiana and Pennsylvania belong to the Big Ten. If Notre Dame fully joins ACC then they will have a foothold in Indiana. But IU owns basketball and Ohio State currently owns all rights to the State of Indiana football.
Florida, Georgia and South Carolina belong to the SEC. Their two biggest football schools are firmly entrenched in SEC territory; to consider Florida ACC territory would be folly.
Big Ten will very soon own New York/New Jersey as I expect Rutgers to blow up compared to Cuse. Rutgers recruiting is already recruiting better than ever (accoring to Scout/Rivals their average 'star' rating is on par with low-mid level Big Ten schools. That market is easily 1/4 of their 55%.
They are also probably including Maryland/DC in their estimate, which is probably 15-20% of their population, which the Big Ten just purchased.
Kentucky is currently shared between the Big Ten and SEC (which the SEC is making a big push to take over the state).

That leaves North Carolina (for now), Virginia (for now) and Massachusettes, which I think may be owned by the Ivy League.

On a separate note: The Grant of Rights will save them until the added value of getting the Big Ten Network in those states exceeds 1/16th of the value of the ACC media contract in a given year. Since we learned recently from the Big East, the media money for college basketball won't save you. At the rate of these contracts rising, expect the disparity between Big Ten/SEC money and ACC money to grow quickly. Schools will get greedy, and in the unlikely event of a mass exodus the GoR essentially becomes void.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

Don't sleep on Toronto yet. Canada is brimming with football talent. They are a sleeping giant I tell ya.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130628/canadian-football-recruiting/?sct=uk_t11_a1

I would really like to see us snatch up the University of Toronto. Yes, the SEC will have the speed of the south, but we will have the whole of Canada. Out of that many people they aught to be able to field a pretty good team. I bet the collective Big Ten schools will continually be able to get a couple dozen really athletic players from Canada. Potential to be a game changer.

 

[CincyInterloper]

Very interesting, as far as an ACC network, that would mean a ton of cash. As far as anything else (recruiting, 1st/2nd tier media money) it means very little. They are still a small fish in the pool in most of their markets:

Indiana and Pennsylvania belong to the Big Ten. If Notre Dame fully joins ACC then they will have a foothold in Indiana. But IU owns basketball and Ohio State currently owns all rights to the State of Indiana football.
Florida, Georgia and South Carolina belong to the SEC. Their two biggest football schools are firmly entrenched in SEC territory; to consider Florida ACC territory would be folly.
Big Ten will very soon own New York/New Jersey as I expect Rutgers to blow up compared to Cuse. Rutgers recruiting is already recruiting better than ever (accoring to Scout/Rivals their average 'star' rating is on par with low-mid level Big Ten schools. That market is easily 1/4 of their 55%.
They are also probably including Maryland/DC in their estimate, which is probably 15-20% of their population, which the Big Ten just purchased.
Kentucky is currently shared between the Big Ten and SEC (which the SEC is making a big push to take over the state).

That leaves North Carolina (for now), Virginia (for now) and Massachusettes, which I think may be owned by the Ivy League.

On a separate note: The Grant of Rights will save them until the added value of getting the Big Ten Network in those states exceeds 1/16th of the value of the ACC media contract in a given year. Since we learned recently from the Big East, the media money for college basketball won't save you. At the rate of these contracts rising, expect the disparity between Big Ten/SEC money and ACC money to grow quickly. Schools will get greedy, and in the unlikely event of a mass exodus the GoR essentially becomes void.

I don't think the B1G has a significant presence in Kentucky. That state belongs to UK and Louisville.

 

[Muck]

I don't think the B1G has a significant presence in Kentucky. That state belongs to UK and Louisville.

He may have been referring to the northernmost city in Kentucky...Cincinnati.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Butler officially joins Big East

It?s official. Monday marked the first day of Butler University?s new conference affiliation, joining the likes of Villanova and Georgetown as a member of the ?new? Big East Conference. This is the third different athletic conference in three years for the Bulldogs, who moved from the Horizon League to the Atlantic Ten in 2012.

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/sports/college/butler-officially-joins-big-east

Butler's bulldog trains for the Big East:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOmsSVbT-nY"]Trip Trains for the BIG EAST - YouTube[/ame]

 

[DaveyBoy]

Ohio State owns the state of Indiana in football ? LOL.

As much as it pains me, I suspect that ND probably leads the Hoosier state in ratings in Autumn. OSU probably fares pretty well, but not as well as the Irish there. Just a hunch.

Very interesting, as far as an ACC network, that would mean a ton of cash. As far as anything else (recruiting, 1st/2nd tier media money) it means very little. They are still a small fish in the pool in most of their markets:

Indiana and Pennsylvania belong to the Big Ten. If Notre Dame fully joins ACC then they will have a foothold in Indiana. But IU owns basketball and Ohio State currently owns all rights to the State of Indiana football.
Florida, Georgia and South Carolina belong to the SEC. Their two biggest football schools are firmly entrenched in SEC territory; to consider Florida ACC territory would be folly.
Big Ten will very soon own New York/New Jersey as I expect Rutgers to blow up compared to Cuse. Rutgers recruiting is already recruiting better than ever (accoring to Scout/Rivals their average 'star' rating is on par with low-mid level Big Ten schools. That market is easily 1/4 of their 55%.
They are also probably including Maryland/DC in their estimate, which is probably 15-20% of their population, which the Big Ten just purchased.
Kentucky is currently shared between the Big Ten and SEC (which the SEC is making a big push to take over the state).

That leaves North Carolina (for now), Virginia (for now) and Massachusettes, which I think may be owned by the Ivy League.

On a separate note: The Grant of Rights will save them until the added value of getting the Big Ten Network in those states exceeds 1/16th of the value of the ACC media contract in a given year. Since we learned recently from the Big East, the media money for college basketball won't save you. At the rate of these contracts rising, expect the disparity between Big Ten/SEC money and ACC money to grow quickly. Schools will get greedy, and in the unlikely event of a mass exodus the GoR essentially becomes void.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

He may have been referring to the northernmost city in Kentucky...Cincinnati.

Sad, but true.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ohio State owns the state of Indiana in football ? LOL.

As much as it pains me, I suspect that ND probably leads the Hoosier state in ratings in Autumn. OSU probably fares pretty well, but not as well as the Irish there. Just a hunch.

I was thinking about this too, but it's tough to guess how much Chicago's influence and the combinations of Purdue/Indiana fans affects the Hoosier state on a whole.

This map shows which teams are the favorite in a region. Unfortunately it doesn't show how a state breaks down past the most popular team in a region, so theres no telling how popular the #2 team, #3 team, etc. It also says the data is presented mostly as a demonstration and isn't entirely reliable:

Based on those that have voted it looks like Indiana and Purdue each carry twice the region that the Irish have when it comes to the most popular team. While it's estimated that the Irish have twice as many fans on a whole than Purdue and Indiana combined when you look at data from across the country, a lot of their fans are spread out in places like Chicago, Boston, New York, Philly, etc.

In any case, if you think that the map above is a good estimate for the dispersion of the majority fans in Indiana, you would have to conclude that the B1G owns Indiana.

 

[Muck]

Somehow I missed it but Black Hearts Gold Pants put together an excellent series on the history of conference realignment going back to the beginning of time. It's well worth taking a look at...

A Brief History of Conference Realignment, Part 1: In the Beginning

A Brief History of Conference Realignment is a study of how we got where we are today, the traditions that we are burning like bridges in the chase for television money and the ones we burned long ago for far stupider reasons.

The other parts can be also be found through the link.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

He may have been referring to the northernmost city in Kentucky...Cincinnati.

No Christmas card for you!

 

[Dryden]

Somehow I missed it but Black Hearts Gold Pants put together an excellent series on the history of conference realignment going back to the beginning of time. It's well worth taking a look at...

A Brief History of Conference Realignment, Part 1: In the Beginning



The other parts can be also be found through the link.

Northwestern played one game in 1876 against a club team from Chicago, lost 3-0, and did not play again until 1995.

That was funny.