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DE Noah Spence (Official Thread)

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MSURacerDT55 said:
That would take valuable reps away from guys like Tyquan Lewis and Jayln Holmes, I could see him continue to play on run downs and come off the field on 3rd downs in favor of McMillain
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What are "run downs" in college football today? With the proliferation of the spread offense the traditional down and distance plays aren't what they used to be. Play McMillan all three downs. He's a better football player.
 
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MaxBuck said:
One might argue the participative component of smoking for lung cancer, or of alcohol consumption for liver cancer, or diet for colon cancer.

In fact, many diseases have participative elements. I'm not in any way excusing drug abuse; more saying that those who have sympathy for sufferers of many other conditions but regard addicts as morally bankrupt people who deserve whatever they get are not being entirely consistent.

Regardless, I hope that Noah Spence coming clean with his parents about his problem is a positive sign that he might overcome it and get back to a productive life. He really does seem to me like a fine young man who has an unfortunate and dangerous weakness.
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Fair enough. My father died of esophageal cancer w/o smoking and no drinking during my lifetime, so I tend to view cancer as something that "happens to" people. But there's certainly no shortage of cancer incidents that involve repeatedly making bad decisions.
I think my original statement is in line with your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.
 
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How serious is the B1G rulebook ban for a 2nd time drug offense? Have they ever enforced it before? Are there loopholes? etc

I'd love to see Spence get the help he needs and come back for his senior season next year. Is that even possible?
 
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I know people with addictive personalities. It can be gambling or alcohol or drugs or even all three. Or addictive behaviors like repeating the same personal decisions over and over like dating bad boy types instead of regular guys. They need professional help to straighten their lives out even a little. It's not about "gratification" as such. That's a thoughtless oversimplification that helps no one. A lot of it is brain chemistry that they have no control over. Or bad "patterns" that need alternatives. All need professional help.
 
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BayBuck said:
"Weakness" really is a better word than addiction here IMO. For all we know, Spence tried ecstasy twice in his life and got busted both times: it's just the SOP today that when you get busted for anything, "rehab" is the answer. I think likely the bigger issue than some deep insatiable appetite for MDMA is a lack of self-control or delayed gratification. Especially when your life and livelihood are on the line, you have to be able to JUST SAY NO.
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These people cannot say "no". That's the problem that needs professional help. Their minds and or bodies won't let them say "no".
 
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I simply take it that until the NCAA rules on it for sure we will practice him (sort of like how a player appeals in the NFL and is able to play a few weeks before serving the punishment).

Imo Don't get your hopes up for this year. With some luck he will be allowed to return next year
 
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OSU's own S-A Conduct policy re: a second positive for stimulants is a two week ban from athletic competition and reinstatement at the decision of the AD and management council. Neither the OSU or B1G handbook requires Spence be barred from practice, and it's only the B1G conference that would mandate a ban of two years, which would effectively end Spence's career unless that is reduced on appeal.

For all we know, the athletic department, coaching staff and Spence's family may have all agreed that what was in the best interest of Noah was to keep him locked up in the WHAC and he can be the Scout Team Player of the Week from now until the third week of September 2015 when he might finally be eligible for reinstatement on appeal. At this point it's critical for him to be somewhere positive and avoid a third failed test. The third one will likely cost him his scholarship per OSU's handbook.
 
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