Loss of WHAC privileges and training table doesn't come cheap ... puts a person well behind the 8-ball when fall practice convenes and essentially punts a year of eligibility.
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buckeyeintn
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I have to stand with Ord on this one. True, we don't have all the facts, and never will. True, we don't know everything the punishment truly entails (like loss of WHAC and training table). True, Meyer has done more research on this with more reliable sources than any of us. But the punishment was definitely too light. He should have had him taken out at dawn and hung. I guarantee that would have deterred the next one. Or at least made sure Tracey didn't become a repeat offender.
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Lol, well done.
There is a feeling that the punishment is too light but i suppose its consistent w/roby. Stupid bs at a bar = 1 game
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
It's not a matter of going all BWI and using it as an us vs. them scenario. It's about wanting the football program at my alma mater to do the right thing and not needlessly embarrass the university regardless of what any other program is or isn't doing, and given that our current coach has a less than stellar reputation in this regard at his last stop, I tend to lean in a zero tolerance direction. I have no interest in holding my nose up in the air to other fans.
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matcar
Mostly banned
I wasn't really thinking if you when I posted that. Granted, you sometimes do suggest that our program operates at a higher level, but you also tend to get pissed off when we fail. I know this is a tOSU site, but it still amuses me when folks here get holier than thou. We are a big time football factory, and we operate like it.
Anyway, back to Sprinkle, I don't know if he hit someone over the head with a bottle or not, but I suspect Coach Meyer does. It seems that the charges were reduced, but if that is what happened, I would prefer he be "relocated". If that's not really what happened, then perhaps this punishment is sufficient.
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If the reports of the cops telling him to leave and him continuing to press the fight to the point where they had to finally arrest him are true then I stand by my original stance on this one; if his decision making skills are that poor then it's probably just a matter of time until he does something else. Hope I am wrong and that he learns.
All in all I'll give this a very weak "trust the coaches" dismissal but I am generally with ORD on these kind of things and this one feels pretty lite in the punishment department.
All in all I'll give this a very weak "trust the coaches" dismissal but I am generally with ORD on these kind of things and this one feels pretty lite in the punishment department.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
And I don't mind operating like it within certain parameters. There was the way that Woody ran his football factory and the way that Barry Switzer ran his. There's a lot of room in how your program is run while still maintaining big time football. Again, I'm not BWI, and I don't have any need to believe that we field a team of Eagle Scouts and physics majors. By our own admission, we most likely have a few kids in the program right now who weren't prepared for a community college, and I'm betting they weren't 3* recruits handed the last available scholarship. I think a balanced approach would be this.
- Keep the elementary school level kids to a bare minimum, and by the data we released, we are doing this. A large majority of football recruits are coming in with college or upper level high school reading and math skills. I'm not a Joebot or Michigan man mindlessly believing (needing to believe!) that our football players are coming in with the same stats as normal students.
- Get a respectable number of them to graduation even if a large number are being pushed through a sports management (that our kinesiology/parks & rec btw) degree provided there's no out-and-out UNC type fraud. Again, there's no need to go all BWI knowing how those grad rates really are achieved. Just don't have them so low that it's negative national publicity.
- Minimum off field incidents and get rid of bad apples. That's self-explanatory.
So from my perspective, we're doing two things acceptably and the jury is necessarily out until UM has more of a body of work here upon which to judge him.
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It seems to me if one attempts to fail to comply that person has complied. I mean, one either succeeds at failing to comply or fails at failing to comply, right? If he failed to comply, it would be failure to comply.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Well, one can attempt to fail to comply only to be thwarted not by a change of heart but by the sting of the truncheon.
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On the wider topic, I have to say I really like the early enrollment thing. It ties a competitive advantage into classroom performance.
I realize it doesn't necessarily mean they had competitive GPAs in HS, but I expect it's often the better students who take advantage of early enrollment.
The biggest issue I have with the scholarship system is that athletes aren't allowed to pick whatever degree they want -- and more disturbing, the degrees I consider valuable** (Sciences and Engineering) seem to be the ones on the cutting block. At least that's what the Northwestern material has revealed -- though I know Ohio State currently has a number of Mech Engineers and I seem to recall Biology in the past.
If athletes choose a golf degree, then that's their choice -- but you can't pigeonhole them into it and then say it's fair compensation.
** The number of people who are unable to find employment in their related degree field is already widely discussed. If athletes are restricted to degrees that have practically no market value, then it further undermines the idea that they are receiving compensation with a scholarship. If you can't use the scholarship for any degree you want... then it just becomes another facet to the way athletes are exploited by this system.
Getting back on topic... #3 seems to be the issue here, and I guess only time will tell.
I realize it doesn't necessarily mean they had competitive GPAs in HS, but I expect it's often the better students who take advantage of early enrollment.
The biggest issue I have with the scholarship system is that athletes aren't allowed to pick whatever degree they want -- and more disturbing, the degrees I consider valuable** (Sciences and Engineering) seem to be the ones on the cutting block. At least that's what the Northwestern material has revealed -- though I know Ohio State currently has a number of Mech Engineers and I seem to recall Biology in the past.
If athletes choose a golf degree, then that's their choice -- but you can't pigeonhole them into it and then say it's fair compensation.
** The number of people who are unable to find employment in their related degree field is already widely discussed. If athletes are restricted to degrees that have practically no market value, then it further undermines the idea that they are receiving compensation with a scholarship. If you can't use the scholarship for any degree you want... then it just becomes another facet to the way athletes are exploited by this system.
Getting back on topic... #3 seems to be the issue here, and I guess only time will tell.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Those days are long gone. As others have pointed out, most of the recruits in big timeget funneled into a few programs designed to keep them eligible as opposed to educated. In Woody's day they became phys ed. majors. More importantly, the number of kids from troubled streets in any program was rather limited. As the need to win has been ratcheted up, so have the number of kids with questionable backgrounds on any given team.
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buckeyeintn
Legend
And this is my alma mater also. If Sprinkle did hit someone over the head with a bottle he should be gone from the university. But from what I have read, there is a very high probability that did not happen. It appears it was a wrong place/wrong time/serious error in judgement situation. If that is the case, the punishment fits the crime. I believe, after the way the Roby and Hyde situations were handled, Urban believes it was a wrong place/wrong time/serious error in judgement situation. Its not a matter of trust the coaches. Its a matter of the coaches have access to more information than we do. Therefore I know that I don't have enough information to determine that the punishment should be harsher.
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