HOF: Who Gets In Today?

[Thump]

Jax: "In your example player B's OBP would be the same as player A's."

Jax, my Player A vs Player B was to demonstrate how its skewed. If OBP = (H + BB) / (AB + BB), think about it. Again, simple math: (H/AB) + (BB/BB). And for you, Thump who was playing "competitive ball" while you should have been in class: BB/BB = 1.

Example A:
Carlos Delgado, 2001: 160 H + 111 BB = 271 TOB. (.408 OBP)

Ichiro, 2001: 242 Hits + 30 BB = 272 TOB (.381)

Time to finish reading Moneyball, Jax.

Dump: "Don't worry, Sloopy will just rebuff you by spewing more worthless stats such as the number of times Mattingly got hits in the 3rd inning with a guy on second during night games played on Wednesdays during months beginning with "J" after taking a huge dump."

Dude, your stupidity has ousted you out of this conversation a long time ago. Go start another analytical thread about what kind of BBQ sauce I like, or what color underwear I'm wearing today. That's about all you're good for.

Tibbs: "How does a self-professed baseball expert not know how to calculate OBP? Is he really that stoopid?"

Mods???

Schmoopy,

Do you realize how many people have pm'ed me saying how big of an idiot you are in this discussion?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Jax: "In your example player B's OBP would be the same as player A's."

Jax, my Player A vs Player B was to demonstrate how its skewed. If OBP = (H + BB) / (AB + BB), think about it. Again, simple math: (H/AB) + (BB/BB). And for you, Thump who was playing "competitive ball" while you should have been in class: BB/BB = 1.

Example A:
Carlos Delgado, 2001: 160 H + 111 BB = 271 TOB. (.408 OBP)

Ichiro, 2001: 242 Hits + 30 BB = 272 TOB (.381)

Time to finish reading Moneyball, Jax.

I showed you the formula for calculating OBP

I showed you why your math was wrong

Total Bases have nothing to do with the OBP formula.

I don't need to read moneyball to do simple arithmetic.


I find it endlessly amusing that everytime you work yourself into a hole you lack the integrity to just admit your wrong and move on. Instead you just keep digging and trying to throw insults at people to get away from the point about which you were mistaken.

 

[Sloopy45]

Thump: "Do you realize how many people have pm'ed me saying how big of an idiot you are in this discussion?"

Do you realize how little I care? Maybe to you, "ex-competitive ball HOF'er," the approval of a bunch of people on a message board means something ..

And the bottom line is, if I was a fan of any other team, or making the same argument FOR the Buckeyes, the same people would be calling me a genius.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Thump: "Do you realize how many people have pm'ed me saying how big of an idiot you are in this discussion?"

Do you realize how little I care? Maybe to you, "ex-competitive ball HOF'er," the approval of a bunch of people on a message board means something ..

And the bottom line is, if I was a fan of any other team, or making the same argument FOR the Buckeyes, the same people would be calling me a genius.

I think the last thing in the world you have to worry about is anyone ever calling you a genius.

 

[Thump]

Do you realize how little I care? Maybe to you, "ex-competitive ball HOF'er," the approval of a bunch of people on a message board means something ,

Then why are you fighting us tooth and nail?

Hey man, I love having baseball discussions but when you just keep trying to throw stats down peoples throats, it's obvious that you're trying to back yourself out of a corner.

You made a blanket statement that wasn't correct, hey we all make mistakes, when someone corrects you, just say you were mistaken and move on.

 

[Jaxbuck]

For future reference:

TB (total bases) is not simply hits plus BB.

TB:

[SIZE=-1]Number of (Singles + [2 x Doubles] +[ 3 x Triples] + [4 x Home Runs])[/SIZE]
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SLG: Number of (Singles + [2 x Doubles] +[ 3 x Triples] + [4 x Home Runs]) divided by At Bats

OPS:
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[SIZE=-1]On Base Percentage + Slugging Average[/SIZE]​

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[PrincessPeach]

If OBP = (H + BB) / (AB + BB), think about it. Again, simple math: (H/AB) + (BB/BB).

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... (Lois, this is not my batman glass.)

I hate to jump into this pissing match, but are you really saying that

(H+BB) / (AB+BB) = (H/AB) + (BB/BB) ???

If you're gonna insult someone's ability to do simple math, you'd best make sure yours is right first...

 

[Sloopy45]

Jax: "I find it endlessly amusing that everytime you work yourself into a hole you lack the integrity to just admit your wrong and move on. Instead you just keep digging and trying to throw insults at people to get away from the point about which you were mistaken."

First off, I never started calling anyone anything. I made a statement and got my throat jumped down, and just because I can fire back better than people can fire, I'm the bad guy.

Go back in this thread and find one insult I launched at Thump before 50 from him about what a jackass I am.

Secondly, instead of reading people putting words in my mouth, like "Don Mattingly is a HOF'er" (which I never said, quite the contrary, in fact), go back and read what I actually said.

And what argument did I lose? Are you the judge & jury? So you get to take sides in a discussion and then decide who was right and wrong?

And finally, to end this once and for all (being peaceful and contrite): I gave you two seasons: Delgado 2001 and Ichiro 2001. Please go into the numbers and tell me why both players have an equal number of TOB but the other has a higher OBP.

Here's a hint:

In the OBP calculation: the numerator includes H + BB. The denominator includes AB + BB. The BB in the numerator will always = the BB in the denominator. Therefore, with the denominator staying constant, hits (or lack thereof), is the only thing that can cause OBP to go down. If Player A walks, it always comes down to 1 in the equation. If Player A hits or makes out (and chances are 70% that he makes out), the OBP goes DOWN.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... (Lois, this is not my batman glass.)

I hate to jump into this pissing match, but are you really saying that

(H+BB) / (AB+BB) = (H/AB) + (BB/BB) ???

If you're gonna insult someone's ability to do simple math, you'd best make sure yours is right first...

Sloop doesn't like to let things like facts or math get in the way of a good opinion.

This isn't the first baseball thread turned trainwreck by this pattern from him.

 

[Sloopy45]

Peach: "If you're gonna insult someone's ability to do simple math, you'd best make sure yours is right first..."

You're correct, Peach. My bad. I miswrote, bad example.

 

[Brutus1]

Jaxbuck's arguement is WAY, WAY, WAY better on this one.

 

[Sloopy45]

Jax: "This isn't the first baseball thread turned trainwreck by this pattern from him."

There's a very simple solution then. Stop posting on those threads.

 

[Jaxbuck]

And finally, to end this once and for all (being peaceful and contrite): I gave you two seasons: Delgado 2001 and Ichiro 2001. Please go into the numbers and tell me why both players have an equal number of TOB but the other has a higher OBP.

OK, I'll play along.

Now we've switched the discussion to this after I've alrady spelled it out.

1) You total base calculation is incorrect. I gave you the proper formula and it isn't simply Hits + BB.

2) TB is not part of the OBP formula.

You are now trying to just throw a bunch of bullshit together to try and get out of being proven dead ass wrong.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Jax: "This isn't the first baseball thread turned trainwreck by this pattern from him."

There's a very simple solution then. Stop posting on those threads.

I just point out when you are wrong, then you turn it into war and peace by trying to worm your way out of it.

Why don't you do some research and post something factually correct instead of your typical pro-yankee hyperbole or develop the sack to admit your wrong when its pointed out to you?

 

[BB73]

In the OBP calculation: the numerator includes H + BB. The denominator includes AB + BB. The BB in the numerator will always = the BB in the denominator. Therefore, with the denominator staying constant, hits (or lack thereof), is the only thing that can cause OBP to go down. If Player A walks, it always comes down to 1 in the equation. If Player A hits or makes out (and chances are 70% that he makes out), the OBP goes DOWN.

For OBP, hits are valued the same as walks. Both increase the numerator and the denominator by one. Outs (that count as official ABs) only increase the denominator.

Do you care to re-word the phrase "If player A hits or makes out, the OBP goes down"? That makes no sense to me.