NFL Replacement refs...What if?

[BuckeyeNation27]

Seriously, one call does not determine a game outcome. That was one of the worst played games I have ever seen by the Packer Oline, especially in the first half. The Pack need to look in the mirror and realize their shitty play had a lot to do with the outcome of the game. I can think of a lot of shitty cals over the years and the media is just feeding the firestorm here. You also have to question the validity of replay at this point. Isn't the point of replay to get the call right? If so why can't they review possession in that case?

how about three calls, then? the PI and roughing the passer calls to even get them in hail mary range were horse shit. They might not have played their best game, but GB did more than enough to win.

 

[buckeyebri]

It has nothing to do with anyone feeling sorry for the real refs, but nice try at changing the subject. The real refs--or, more aptly, the replacement refs--have clearly shown that the real refs have a set of skills that few others have in society. Scarcity like that results in a higher salary--check out Econ 101.

Yes, because the normal league referees never fuck up a call....And they certainly never fuck up a replay review.....

And as long as you are okay with paying more for tickets, concessions, parking, TV. etc. then by all means let's give these guys more money or a pension for this. You know the owners aren't going to eat this on the long run.

Now, if we want to talk about the fact that the games seem to lack a certain player control factor and there are questionable items happening where players are pushing the limits of what they can get a way with, then I am willing to say yeah there is a bigger issue here than a few screwed up calls.

 

[OH10]

how about three calls, then? the PI and roughing the passer calls to even get them in hail mary range were horse [Mark May]. They might not have played their best game, but GB did more than enough to win.

The PI and Roughing penalties were probably worse. At least the INT/TD call was hard to see in real time.

In the end the fans will pay the price for all of this BS whether it is having to watch the replacement referees or in increased ticket prices and concessions to pay for whatever the existing referees eventually get.

I won't because I'm not going to the games. I feel pretty much priced out as it is from the games. Same with Ohio State. I would rather watch at home or at a bar.

 

[Jake]

how about three calls, then? the PI and roughing the passer calls to even get them in hail mary range were horse shit. They might not have played their best game, but GB did more than enough to win.

Three calls? Ask Seattle fans about three calls changing the outcome of a game.

 

[OH10]

Yes, because the normal league referees never [censored] up a call....And they certainly never [censored] up a replay review.....

So.... because the regular officials make mistakes, we should have to put up with the fake officials making more and even bigger mistakes? Shit, why don't we just bring in some drug addicts off the street and pay them in meth? Talk about cost savings!

And as long as you are okay with paying more for tickets, concessions, parking, TV. etc. then by all means let's give these guys more money or a pension for this. You know the owners aren't going to eat this on the long run.

Fans let themselves get bent over and have their wallets raped by the owners. That's their problem. Not mine.

And we're not talking about a lot of money here. It's been estimated at 60k per team per year. That's about 50 cents more a hot dog.

 

[buckeyebri]

The PI and Roughing penalties were probably worse. At least the INT/TD call was hard to see in real time.

Always subjective calls and people bitch both ways about PI calls. I seem to recall some controversy on a couple of plays in 2002.

I won't because I'm not going to the games. I feel pretty much priced out as it is from the games. Same with Ohio State. I would rather watch at home or at a bar.

I hear you on this one.....I can't afford to pay the price to go to a Colts game here and I am certainly not paying to watch the current product on the field.

 

[Roundabout]

Do the right thing...

Sure give them more money.. but they drop there full time jobs and they can spend the down time becoming better refs and fixing there mistakes.

Make no mistake about it, there are almost as many mistakes by the guys with years of experience as these replacements who really are learning on the fly. I wonder how good folks would grade the regular refs if they were under the magnifying glass that the replacements are.

If the refs though are going to continue to be part time employee's of the NFL to call a game one day a week and have a 9-5 job mon-fri..... then I don't see the need for tons of benefits and pensions. That however is just one mans take on things.

 

[buckeyebri]

So.... because the regular officials make mistakes, we should have to put up with the fake officials making more and even bigger mistakes? [Mark May], why don't we just bring in some drug addicts off the street and pay them in meth? Talk about cost savings!

How do you classify the largeness of a mistake in this case? Just because this call happened right at the end of the game instead of in the middle of the game?

Fans let themselves get bent over and have their wallets raped by the owners. That's their problem. Not mine.

And we're not talking about a lot of money here. It's been estimated at 60k per team per year. That's about 50 cents more a hot dog.

I am not arguing this point, only that those asking for this to be taken care of are really begging for the fans to pay more money.

 

[buckeyefool]

Sure give them more money.. but they drop there full time jobs and they can spend the down time becoming better refs and fixing there mistakes.

Make no mistake about it, there are almost as many mistakes by the guys with years of experience as these replacements who really are learning on the fly. I wonder how good folks would grade the regular refs if they were under the magnifying glass that the replacements are.

If the refs though are going to continue to be part time employee's of the NFL to call a game one day a week and have a 9-5 job mon-fri..... then I don't see the need for tons of benefits and pensions. That however is just one mans take on things.

Originally I thought that was one of the owners demands, was that if you are going to get these benifits then the owners wanted them to become full time employees, which most of the officials scoffed at because most of them do have high paying full time jobs that they dont want to give up.

 

[buckeyefool]

Always subjective calls and people bitch both ways about PI calls. I seem to recall some controversy on a couple of plays in 2002. .

Chuck Todd on twitter has been going off since the play call that this has been one of the worst called games since the OSU/Miami game. He continues to bring up Porter, and the PI call as the biggest examples. F'ning Asshat

 

[alexhortdog95]

You'd recognize Hochuli. His biceps take up half the sidewalk.

FIFY

Btw - I love the faux outrage the Packers had on Twitter last night after the game, but they neglect to talk about how their league MVP quarterback was running around for his life for half an hour in the first half last night. Guess they were too busy tweeting to block...

 

[OH10]

How do you classify the largeness of a mistake in this case? Just because this call happened right at the end of the game instead of in the middle of the game?

Impossible for a layman to quantify the size of a mistake. There were several blatantly missed calls last night. I'd love to have the time to go through and put together the highlights, but all I can say (probably not your satisfaction I understand) is that last night was a poorly officiated game by any standards. The ending was just icing on an already [Mark May]-flavored cake.

And I want to be clear that I'm not blaming the replacement officials. They don't have a full understanding of the rules; the game moves too fast for them; and they don't have enough credibility with coaches and players to maintain control of the game. But I don't blame them for taking on the opportunity of a lifetime and I do sympathize with them for being placed under such a heavy microscope. It's just not working out.

I feel like too many people want to make this a referendum on the viability/utility of unions in 2012 America. That is not the issue from my perspective. The NFL has a product; the officials are a part of that product; and I happen to believe that, despite some of their flaws, they have a truly unique knowledge and skill base that deserves to be highly compensated. The product is diminished as a result of this ongoing lockout. It's meritocracy from my perspective.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Leave it to ESPN to see the real outrage of the missed call....

$150M-$250M in MNF bets shifted

Monday night's controversial touchdown call that gave the Seattle Seahawks a 14-12 victory over the Green Bay Packers had an immediate impact for gamblers.

If the Hail Mary pass by Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson were ruled an interception by Packers safety M.D. Jennings, Green Bay -- 3? point favorites -- would have won by five, covering the spread.

Instead, the replacement officials' call that Seahawks wide receiver Golden Tate had possession shifted all those that bet on the Packers to those that took the underdog Seahawks.

"Most of the customers in the sports book were not happy with the final call," said John Avello, director of the race and sports book at the Wynn in Las Vegas. "The shift was 100 percent. After the (Seahawks) score, all bets were reversed."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8...ckers-disputed-mnf-call-shifted-150-250m-bets

All you need to know about this game is burned forever with this image:

 

[buckeyebri]

Leave it to ESPN to see the real outrage of the missed call....



All you need to know about this game is burned forever with this image:

Funny thing is they are both wrong...not incomplete and not a TD.....Again though this should have easily been resolved by replay if replay wasn't hamstrung and was used for actually determining the correct outcome......As much as people want to bitch about the referees replay is still a mess and has been since they instituted it

 

[Mike80]

Funny thing is they are both wrong...not incomplete and not a TD.....Again though this should have easily been resolved by replay if replay wasn't hamstrung and was used for actually determining the correct outcome......As much as people want to bitch about the referees replay is still a mess and has been since they instituted it

No one signaled incomplete....