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Oversigning (capacity 25, everyone welcome! maybe)

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Gatorubet;2029028; said:
Damn. Now Saban's killing them to open a spot. :shake:
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Excuse me sir. The role of "takes-everything-literally-even-when-it's-clearly-a-joke" is taken. Find your own schtick. Cease and desist or I will obtain a court order. You have one week. No joke.


Well, not a funny one anyway...
 
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jwinslow;2036131; said:
The south has a lot more nose tackle prospects, and more importantly, they don't have to worry about silly concerns like admission standards or scholarship limits.

If he doesn't qualify, sign and place him.

If he does qualify, sign and enroll him...

...unless another guy qualifies, then send him to prep school anyway.
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Funny and true. How the SEC gets to play under different rules makes the ncaa quite a joke. There is a whole conference less florida, vandy and georgia that has a different set of rules than the rest of the teams.....what a joke.....it is no accident why and how they are enjoying their success. Go Bucks
 
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jwinslow;2036131; said:
The south has a lot more nose tackle prospects, and more importantly, they don't have to worry about silly concerns like admission standards or scholarship limits.

If he doesn't qualify, sign and place him.

If he does qualify, sign and enroll him...

...unless another guy qualifies, then send him to prep school anyway.
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OH NOES!!!! THEYS IS SIGNING AND ENROLLING NOESE TACKELES THAT IS QUALIFYS!!!!!!!

That you think your scholar athletes are any more cerebral than those in any other big time program save Standford (Domers are not big time, IMO) is laughable. Everyone can trot out youtube evidence of seemingly barely literate spokesmen for every major program/rival. And if you are telling me that tOSU does not steer certain of their athletes into majors and courses that are less challenging than the regular student body, I would love to see the proof. Because EVERYBODY else, north, south east and west do that to some extent. Hell, y'all are always going on about how Michigan and Penn State and Illinois are getting dicey academic kids. And that ain't south last time I looked.

Give me your long list of qualified SEC nose tackles that have been placed in prep school if you don't mind.
 
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Give me your long list of qualified SEC nose tackles that have been placed in prep school if you don't mind.
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No, clearly SEC teams don't sign and place kids. Clearly that was an unfair characterization.
That you think your scholar athletes are any more cerebral than those in any other big time program save Standford (Domers are not big time, IMO) is laughable.
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Thanks for missing the point. When Freddie Lenix doesn't qualify, that costs OSU a scholarship. They don't get to fudge the numbers & sign his backup plan with zero risk. You know, like Freddie qualifying & deciding whether to place his backup plan in a prep school, or whether to commit medical fraud for the umpteenth time and run him off like Bammer, Hatter and others around you do. Haven't seen much evidence of Boom or Urban doing it.
 
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BigWoof31;2036173; said:
Bless your heart. Had alot of Ohio State football players dinged by the admissions office lately? :roll2::roll2::roll2::roll2::roll2::roll2:
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Pretty sure that fist pumper next to your name has complained about the same thing, chap.

Obviously the biggest problem is the lack of nose tackles, much moreso than any perceived or actual admissions issues.
 
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jwinslow;2036178; said:
Obviously the biggest problem is the lack of nose tackles, much moreso than any perceived or actual admissions issues.
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So come bring some to Ohio? You've certainly had success at pulling talent out of other southern states and its not like the kids that live up here aren't big as hell anyway.

If you really were motivated to make a switch, it doesn't seem like the midwestern recruiting base would prohibit it. Shit - you've certainly had the linebacker talent to make the switch.
 
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jwinslow;2036178; said:
Pretty sure that fist pumper next to your name has complained about the same thing, chap.

Obviously the biggest problem is the lack of nose tackles, much moreso than any perceived or actual admissions issues.
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Georgia coach Mark Richt is in the opposite camp. He said that it was an "awful thing to do" to bring in players to participate in the summer strength program and then ask some to leave or wait until January to sign based on which ones performed the best.

He didn't stop there, either.

"These other coaches have been oversigning, trying to make sure they never come up short of that 85 number," Richt said earlier this month at a Georgia booster club speaking engagement in Greenville, S.C. "But in doing so, have they done it in an ethical way?

"I'd say the answer is probably not."
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6593311
 
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Give me your long list of qualified SEC nose tackles that have been placed in prep school if you don't mind.
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jwinslow;2036170; said:
No, clearly SEC teams don't sign and place kids. Clearly that was an unfair characterization.
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IOW, "no", you don't.

Why this does not seem to penetrate your pate I do not know, but signing and placing a guy who does not qualify is not a problem or a bad thing. See the not qualify part.

Again, despite your hyperbole to the contrary, "oversigning" is not a problem unless it results in kids who are qualified not being enrolled. Again, Saban's misuse of red shirts is an entirely different issue that is not SEC wide, and has nothing to do with signing a kid who will not qualify, but gets to be the big man on campus with a ceremony and a ball cap pick, as long as he is kept in the loop up front and not misled.

Nobody condones the misuse of red shirts. Nobody condones the misleading of kids and the abrupt launching of them because they found a better guy. And Josh, the fact that trying to keep his job Helen Hunt was trying to portray himself as the ethical shining light at a Georgia booster meeting is not the end of the discussion, although it might be for you.

Asking a kid to enroll early or wait until January to maximize the talent on the team is not a problem unless you spring stuff on them, or you lie to them. And some kids will in fact benefit from a semester with college only (as opposed to college and athletics) focus on grades and adjusting to college life.

We can agree on specific problems with specific coaches, but you always make the sweep of your claims far too broad on this issue.
 
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jwinslow;2036229; said:
Fine. Change my comments to be about LSU & Bammer, though I'd argue there's a case to be made for the Mississippis & Arkansas.
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Clearly, the issue at hand is that the teams in the SEC East are ethical, which is why they all suck now. :sneaky:
 
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