Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[Muck]

Jesus, I'm no genius, but I think I understand the English language on a decent level and I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last week. Can anyone play Devil's Advocate and tell me how that doesn't sound exactly like "Joe" gave orders not to take it beyond "the person involved?"

I'm reasonably certain no one will ever label me a PSU apologist but a plausible scenario would be:

Curley & Schultz agreed to a course of action after which Curley became uncomfortable with the plan ('giving it more thought') & then subsequently discussed it (his discomfort?) with Joe.

 

[scarletmike]

I'm reasonably certain no one will ever label me a PSU apologist but a plausible scenario would be:

Curley & Schultz agreed to a course of action after which Curley became uncomfortable with the plan ('giving it more thought') & discussed it (his discomfort?) with Joe.

And the Joe of 2001 could have fired his ass in 10 seconds, but even if you take that less damning approach, Joe still went along with keeping it in house. No matter how you try to spin it, Joe was at the least aware of and not opposed to keeping the whole thing quiet if he didn't tell Curley to keep it quiet.

There's no getting around it, Joe was as dirty as the rest of them in this.

And I'm starting to agree with ORD re: kicking them out of the B1G/AAU/NCAA. They need to be woken the fuck up, and evidently what's happened so far hasn't been enough. Hit the kill switch.

 

[sepia5]

I'm reasonably certain no one will ever label me a PSU apologist but a plausible scenario would be:

Curley & Schultz agreed to a course of action after which Curley became uncomfortable with the plan ('giving it more thought') & then subsequently discussed it (his discomfort?) with Joe.

Why do you support child rape?

 

[Muck]

Why do you support child rape?

 

[OSU_D/]

And the Joe of 2001 could have fired his ass in 10 seconds, but even if you take that less damning approach, Joe still went along with keeping it in house. No matter how you try to spin it, Joe was at the least aware of and not opposed to keeping the whole thing quiet if he didn't tell Curley to keep it quiet.

There's no getting around it, Joe was as dirty as the rest of them in this.

And I'm starting to agree with ORD re: kicking them out of the B1G/AAU/NCAA. They need to be woken the fuck up, and evidently what's happened so far hasn't been enough. Hit the kill switch.

They also all knew of the 1998 case. No getting around that either.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Best case scenario is that between e-mail #1 and email #2, there was a discussion with "Joe" and a consensus to not notify Children's Services was made with "Joe" on board with that decision.

Worst case scenario (and I think the logical reading of e-mail number #2) is that Schultz, Curley and Spanier were ready to notify Children's Services but after the talk with "Joe" were either convinced by him or ordered by him to keep it in house and not go further. Curley conveyed the opinion/wishes/orders of Dear Leader, and all three quickly fell into line.

"Joe" was either an active part of the conspiracy to cover up Sandusky's actions or the actual catalyst for it. That's the range of interpretation that I see regarding the e-mails.

 

[JohnDorian]

This is an old article, but with the new emails coming out there might be more reason as to why Spanier spoke out against Penn State having to comply with open records law.
http://www.pennlive.com/editorials/index.ssf/2011/11/right_to_know_law_psu_shouldnt.html

In 2007, Penn State President Graham Spanier spoke forcefully against the state-related universities being included under an expanded state open-records law.
Spanier said it would impact donor contributions, compensation packages for staff and intellectual property rights, among other issues.
Cont'd..

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

This is an old article, but with the new emails coming out there might be more reason as to why Spanier spoke out against Penn State having to comply with open records law.
http://www.pennlive.com/editorials/index.ssf/2011/11/right_to_know_law_psu_shouldnt.html

That's a great point. It seemed almost comical that they would go to such lengths merely to protect JoePed's salary information and continue the illusion that he was paid no differently than an English professor. Now we know that there was much more sinister information that they never wanted to see the light of day. Certainly Spanier knew what was behind Door #3 when he recently sought a court injunction to prevent his e-mail records from being released to the Freeh investigation.

The great irony is that, in doing so, they argued against being a public institution and may have forfeited any sovereign immunity they held, which will now put them at infinitely greater exposure in the upcoming civil suits.

 

[DaBears]

They need the real Death Penalty for as long as this was kept under wraps. If it started in 98, then they need no football for 14 years etc

 

[OSU_D/]

I'm usually not a huge fan of ORD's black/white style and his attempt to 'shagify' this website (if I wanted to laugh at people being total dicks to each other I'd go to shaggybevo), but the more that comes out the more PSU needs a kick in the nuts beyond what has happened elsewhere.

The ONLY reason you address people and groups with 'the subject' and 'the organization' and 'the other organization' is to hide things. I am also interested in seeing all of the emails. We only know what CNN purports to have received as info. I'd like to see if they reference help or concern for the victims at all.

From the President on down through Paterno it is clear they didn't do the right thing. One email is particularly damning... if Sandusky's behavior doesn't change they will get in trouble for not reporting it to 'the other organization', the child welfare organization. And of course, the behavior didn't change. Nor did they restrict access to PSU for Sandusky. Second Mile kept on operating as normal.

Couple all of this with what we know as OSU fans how PSU fans treat us in Crappy Valley, this whole notion of 'Success with Honor' is 100% bs. I hope their fans see nothing but Pedo Bear costumes for the entire year at other stadiums.

 

[Saw31]

CBSsports

Joe Paterno's statue has to come down. That's clear today, now that CNN has released emails that bury Paterno and his Penn State cronies with their own dirty words.
Paterno's statue outside Beaver Stadium has to come down, because otherwise Penn State would be celebrating a man who helped talk school officials into leaving Jerry Sandusky alone in 2001, letting an alleged pedophile escape detection for another decade, giving that alleged pedophile -- and it's not "alleged" anymore -- unfettered access to campus for another decade.
After the statue comes down, then what? Well, then his statue would be disposed of, possibly melted down into prison bars -- maybe the bars that will hold Sandusky. Or maybe someone could just toss Paterno's statue into a landfill, throw it away as easily as Paterno and his underlings threw away the lives of so many boys in their community.

 

[NFBuck]

Or maybe someone could just toss Paterno's statue into a landfill, throw it away as easily as Paterno and his underlings threw away the lives of so many boys in their community.

 

[NFBuck]

Wetzel weighs in...

The email is devastating on multiple levels, perhaps most for Paterno, who had escaped some measure of scorn thus far by playing the, in-hindsight-I-should've-done-more angle. Paterno, who won more games than any other major college football coach, died at age 85 in January of lung cancer.

According to Curley's email, Paterno participated more than he ever admitted, including likely talking Curley ? and thus the others ? out of the plan to turn Sandusky over to authorities.

Take a second for that one to sink in.

It is now perfectly reasonable to postulate that Joe Paterno protected Jerry Sandusky, who had been a Penn State assistant coach from 1969 until retiring in 1999. Sandusky went right along with his business of showering with boys in the locker room, of bringing kids to the sidelines during games, of sitting in the press/luxury box area of home games. Sandusky used the program's allure like a lollipop to draw kids into his van.


Paterno will never have the chance to defend against this charge or answer these troubling questions.

However, what would be his defense?

...and a particularly interesting passage...

What remains is the question of why otherwise reasonable people would make such an ethically bankrupt and criminal decision. These are highly educated, high-functioning men. The answer may never be determined. It may help to go back to that moment.

In hindsight, the smart move would have been to have Sandusky arrested. Viewed from today, Curley, Paterno, et. al. would have been lauded for making the correct decision.

At the time, however, the story would've been about a recently retired defensive coordinator molesting kids in JoePa's locker room.

Paterno was 74 and coming off a 5-7 season. He didn't have much of a team for the foreseeable future, either. Rumblings were growing that it was time for him to retire, that the game had passed him by, that at his age he couldn't handle the responsibilities of a major college football program.

An act of child molestation in the locker room would have only fueled that. When word would have eventually leaked out that in 1998 Sandusky had been investigated for the same charge yet still maintained all-hour access to the facilities, it may have too much for Paterno to survive, let alone explain.

In the precise moment, each of the men must have feared being fired. Even Joe Paterno.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Let's withhold judgment against Paterno for now. We don't know that he didn't make Sandusky clean the stadium for a game or two.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Well, I would like to admit that I was wrong. I said, with regards to the Lubrano hints, that it would take 3 days before the Ped Aggys circled the wagons and a full week before they constructed the intellectual framework (vacuum?) to completely negate any damning evidence of JoePed's role in the coverup.

I was wrong. It's not even 24 hours later, and the overwhelming bulk of them have entirely processed and eliminated those e-mails. It's as if they just bounced off the impenetrable wall of self-delusion.

I've been in favor of shutting the football program down for a year, but hadn't yet crossed the Rubicon to actually look into kicking that university out of the Big Ten. Now, I think I'm there. The entire culture surrounding that place is toxic. The Big Ten Presidents and the AAU need cut out the cancer.

I thought PedSU cured Cancer already?