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RB Roderick Smith (Official Thread)

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UpNorth_Buckeye;2364117; said:
But who's to say that we don't take Green in 2013 if Dunn decommits in 2012? We very well could have. In fact, I even think I made a post a ways back that Dunn's and Green's careers will be very interesting to follow, because IF Dunn flipped we may have been looking at Green being in the S&G.
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I tend to agree. With the combination of limited 'ships and more than a pair and a spare, I don't think that we have a true view of how Urb plans to recruit that position short or long term.

Time will tell.. but my money is on more big backs in time... Feel free to bookmark this and call me to the carpet if I'm wrong.
 
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sparcboxbuck;2364120; said:
I tend to agree. With the combination of limited 'ships and more than a pair and a spare, I don't think that we have a true view of how Urb plans to recruit that position short or long term.

Time will tell.. but my money is on more big backs in time... Feel free to bookmark this and call me to the carpet if I'm wrong.
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I think you're right. I think Hyde may have solidified the "Power Spread" as part of the Urban arsenal. 1 Big Guy, 4 fast guys, and a dual threat QB creates a ton of things a defense must account for on any given play.
 
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Mike80;2363979; said:
Hall isn't a RB really anymore except for special packages/emergencies. With Dunn/Ball/EZE, there's no reason to think that Hall will be the starter at RB anymore.
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I'll be sure to pass this memo on to Urban. Apparently he is unaware of
the decision you have made. Silly Head Coach.

:osu:
 
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buckeye4ever21;2364062; said:
Recruiting and bringing in are two different points. Urban hasn't brought in a power back in almost 2 years of recruiting at Ohio State and it doesn't look like he's bringing one in at the end of this year. So your statement is completely inaccurate.
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Ezekiel Elliot is 220 lbs before taking a single snap. He may not be Hyde but he is hardly a speed back. He's a fairly prototypical back imo.
They trended away from Derrick Green because the presence of speed backs was much more of a priority than having another power back.
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they trended away from Derrick Green because they didn't need him and weren't enamored with his play.

Then they went out and had Jalen Hurd as their next feature back target. All 230 lbs of him.
I know you've got a big tebowner but at no point in the conversation was I talking about what sort of run game the QB brings to the equation.
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I do? Since when? Links please.

Meyer is stuck with a stereotype based on a system that is gone. This is a very different offense than the one Tebow ran, and I imagine it will change again when Miller leaves and Barrett (let alone a guy like Watson) is running the show.
With us trending away from a strictly power game, the carries are going to be split more ways and Rod's time to have the load of the carries is running out.
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Yes, Rod's time is running out, just like it was under Bollman as well. That's a completely separate topic from the power RB role diminishing in Meyer's system. It isn't going away.
 
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buckeye4ever21;2364048; said:
You took me out of context. I was basically saying the team last year didn't have a RB with top end speed plus agility thus you won't strictly see a power back lined up next to the QB 90 percent of the time anymore. I'm not saying the power back role will be removed, but it will definitely be diminished. With a combination of an elite speed back (Wilson), prototypical back (Elliot) and power backs (Hyde, smith), no particular role will disappear but the percentage of plays they see will vary depending on play calling and the success of the type of back. Meyer and Herman were quoted as only being able to run 60% of the playbook because of the personnel they had available. We are just slowly trending away from just offering a power run game and converting to a system that offers multiple types of backs a chance to be successful.
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Elliot is a complete back in my opinion.
Jalen Hurd compares to Adrian Peterson in my opinion in that he's a combination of a power and speed back not really falling under a category other than a complete running back. You brought tebowner into a running back conversation, I know he was used as a power back out of the QB position but it was a running backs conversation compared to the rest of the running back depth chart. Not how tebow or the bell dozer is used in their specific systems. The definition diminish does NOT mean disappear. The power role isn't disappearing it is just lessening to allow the pivot role to stretch the defense on the perimeter. This will allow Meyer and Herman to use the entire playbook and not just the power spread back. And still in urban's history he brings in more pivot backs and prototypical rb's then he does big back. You guys can make all the points you want about other big backs he's recruited but I'm looking at what he continually brings in Florida and osu thus far. I also don't mean the entire system is going to swing to 50 percent power and 50 percent pivot because the older backs within the system are power backs and know the system. The pivot role will be gradually increase over the next 2 years.
 
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buckeye4ever21;2364172; said:
Elliot is a complete back in my opinion.
Jalen Hurd compares to Adrian Peterson in my opinion in that he's a combination of a power and speed back not really falling under a category other than a complete running back. You brought tebowner into a running back conversation, I know he was used as a power back out of the QB position but it was a running backs conversation compared to the rest of the running back depth chart. Not how tebow or the bell dozer is used in their specific systems. The definition diminish does NOT mean disappear. The power role isn't disappearing it is just lessening to allow the pivot role to stretch the defense on the perimeter. This will allow Meyer and Herman to use the entire playbook and not just the power spread back. And still in urban's history he brings in more pivot backs and prototypical rb's then he does big back. You guys can make all the points you want about other big backs he's recruited but I'm looking at what he continually brings in Florida and osu thus far. I also don't mean the entire system is going to swing to 50 percent power and 50 percent pivot because the older backs within the system are power backs and know the system. The pivot role will be gradually increase over the next 2 years.
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ahhhhhh....the complete back. Now I understand your string of random thoughts.
 
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buckeyebri;2364246; said:
I stand with Josh....Here's to Rod having a great year and silencing the critics. He had some outstanding runs last year and I anticipate more of the same from him this year when he gets on the field.
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Haha critic! He's one of our most talented backs! Never said he wasn't just saying he needs to step up soon to get his share of the carries. String of random thoughts? Well if I wouldn't have to respond to everyone's little critique I wouldn't to write so long.
 
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To me a complete back is a measure of overall ability. They can run, block, catch passes out of the backfield, make guys miss, etc. Adrian Peterson is a power runner that can do it all. There are also backs that aren't power backs that can do it all so they would also be a "complete" back.
 
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buckeyebri;2364246; said:
I stand with Josh....Here's to Rod having a great year and silencing the critics. He had some outstanding runs last year and I anticipate more of the same from him this year when he gets on the field.
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I don't disagree with you but you can't stand with Josh... you can only "stand with Wade". :biggrin:
 
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jwinslow;2364157; said:
Meyer is stuck with a stereotype based on a system that is gone. This is a very different offense than the one Tebow ran, and I imagine it will change again when Miller leaves and Barrett (let alone a guy like Watson) is running the show.Yes, Rod's time is running out, just like it was under Bollman as well. That's a completely separate topic from the power RB role diminishing in Meyer's system. It isn't going away.
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What system are you talking about? Urban likes to run a read option offense with a top end speed pivot back hence is why he's bringing in all this speed (elliot, wilson, samuel, campbell, marshall and clark). So the power back role will diminish due to carries given to the pivot role. Don't know how that this is so hard to understand. Braxton will make it even more lethal than it was at Florida and especially going against big ten defenses instead of the SEC. Here's a link with Meyer and Herman saying since you don't believe me. The only thing slowing the system down is Wilson's grip on the offense. http://theozone.net/football/2013/FallCamp/Offense_Meyer.html
 
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