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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Personally, when this story first broke way back before the summer.. I was of the opinion then that you give JT 1 year off (no practices either) and let the Tat5 sit their 5 games.

The more time went on my opinion changed back and forth between turn the other cheek they're kids & to hell with them they're not "buckeyes."

Doing something stupid again. Man-oh-man. Subject to change: kick them off.
 
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Oh, the drama and the overall shit about this whole scenario.

Today I did a little "soul searching" and along the way thought of a few great reasons why I love Ohio State football and will continue to do so for about, well forever.

Granted these kids are young, immature, and quite often ignorant to their surroundings. NOT an excuse, you earn the rules and you play by them, plain and simple.

Anyway, back to my "searching" I came up with three scenarios in recent Buckeye history that made me, and should make each and every one of you proud of what the true "Buckeye" spirit is all about.

1. Tyson Gentry
2. Danny Potokar
3. The Buckeye Sports Medicine Team in the help they gave to Adam Talliaferro.

College Football is not "Life." Life is much, much bigger. I couldn't give a rats ass about who plays this week and who doesn't, who f..ked up and who didn't, and quite frankly who plays here in the future and who doesn't. Scarlet and Gray are two colors that don't run. The Buckeyes are something very special to each and every one of us. Let's all just enjoy and appreciate the kids that we have that are here for the same reason that we are, and let the other ones weed themselvess out, or better yet, never show up in the first place.

Peace
 
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To go philosophical for a second, I feel like Sisyphus, a king in Greek mythology, who was forced to push an immense boulder up a hill, only to watch it roll back down again right before it reached the top, for eternity. Every time I think the violations/scandals are over, right as I'm reaching the top of the hill, another one comes up and I have to start all over again.

I've fluctuated between disappointment with the players, staff, Gene Smith etc to annoyance with our seeming inability to cheat, to disenchantment in general with all of big time college sports. As a recent college graduate, I know that student athletes are students largely in name only, they get in to school with significantly lower grades, have free tutors for every class, are on full scholarship, are generally adored by the student body etc etc. Although athletics is their primary focus, it bothers me most (more than losing football games and historic offensive ineptitude) that so many athletes choose to waste their once in a life opportunity to play college football and receive a free education by not following the rules that govern them. We all know the rules are often arcane and stupid, but the players know the rules and they agreed to the contract.

A free college education and a chance to play football at a university I love so dearly is a tremendous gift and it pains me to see players waste that. Play hard, follow the rules, and try and take advantage of the education that will allow you to get a job and support yourself and your family once your football days are over (whether that's next year or in ten years). That's all I ask. Unfortunately for me, the players, the fans, the staff, and society, it seems that is often asking too much.

I will always support The Ohio State University and I am confident that brighter days are ahead. Let us all hope that those brighter days arrive sooner rather than later.
 
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OSUK;2005257; said:
it's time to burn it down and rebuild it with a group of people who hopefully will have the character to do things the right way.

Agreed. That is the same conclusion that I have reached. You cannot reverse the damage that has been done to this program. You can only burn it down and start over.
 
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utgrad73;2005324; said:
I think Tressel was the moral compass for many on the team. He guided them, he protected them, he was like a second father to them. Unfortunately he too was a victim of this and couldn't protect himself. The takeaway here has to be some extreme lessons learned and a fresh outlook. Don't look back.

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EidoloN;2005161; said:
I don't like this, our kids sell stuff and get money, get blasted and suspended and threatened to quit, but kids from other schools who break the law (DUI's, domestic disputes, theft, assault, etc) get one game suspensions? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Somewhere in the NCAA rule book it has to state integrity, decision making or being a model citizen. DUI's put people's lives at risk, murder, and get's jail time, and the NCAA doesn't take this seriously? Unreal.

I'm in this school of thought. I see them breaking rules and think that is bad and all, but I also think everything that has happened at tOSU has been blown way out of proportion when compared to what else is going on around the country in college football. It seems like getting cash illegitimately through legitemate channels is actually worse than stealing, assaulting, raping, drinking and driving, etc. PSU players get to clean the stadium after displaying pure thuggery on a dramatic scale. Our guys are getting their nuts chopped off for getting amounts of money that are laughable.

utgrad73;2005343; said:
He was covering for them. In doing so he made a mistake and a lapse in judgement. His compass faltered, his reasons were flawed, but he was a great coach with his team and school as number 1 in his playbook.

I agree with this as well. I think in retrospect, when this was all happening a lot of people involved didn't think it was that big of a deal. When it became a big deal, they didn't know how to properly deal with it.

Not making excuses, just saying if you put yourself in the shoes of another person you find it harder to be so judgmental.

Lincoln, speaking of the confederacy, said "they are just what we would be in their situation." Smart words from a smart man.
 
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More than anything, I'm dissapointed in our Athletic Department. I'm dissapointed in the way we've handled this mess, I'm dissapointed in how our student-athletes have manipulated the system, and I'm dissapointed at how we're moving forward.
I love this University. At this point though, I'm starting to wonder if many of the people involved truly love the University or just the perks that come with being a member of it...
 
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I had a dream we were king.

Woke up..still king.

This too shall pass. I am tired. I am [censored]ed. I am frustrated. I am angry. But after a couple of hours of obsessing on this [Mark May] I remembered that OSU and our affiliation with it is bigger than these violations.

We have sadly been through this before. But all along we have been dealing with negative attention..WWH was a lightning rod. He assembled this program around him..and its very foundation was built on controversy.
There have been NO recruiting violations. None. We are not creating an unfair advantage..we are just watching kids make childish, boneheaded choices. The glare of the success blinded these players to the possible ramifications of their actions. They seem to think they were above any repercussions..and sadly we know that is never the case.

Hell, there are no major violations. Maybe that is spin..but we are talking about trading personnel property for a few grand. A round of golf. Three kids taking $200 for what was labeled as expense money. Did they *know*? Probably..but did they actively know..I think not. I think they rationalized it...just as Tressel did. Now we have a couple of kids that stayed on the clock after they went home for the day.

That is it.

It sucks..they are violations..but they are not abortions. There are no prostitutes. They are not paying families for their kid's commitment. The program is not buying players. This boils down to our athletic department not having a filter and the NCAA needing someone to lean on to show they are paying attention to the sport at a time when their very existence is being called into question because they have lost control. This stuff wouldn't surface to the light of day in the SEC. Am I spinning? I suppose..but that doesn't mean it isn't true. This crap is insignificant..but rather than just moving on..we have a damn press conference to make sure everyone knows about it.

I firmly believe Gene Smith has botched this beyond all imagination and there was no need for the actual violations to put us into this violent tail spin.

And in a couple of years this will be nothing more than another ring in the Buckeye tree. Eventually the changes we need to move forward will be made. Gene got a stay of execution if the most recent disclosure delays the NCAA announcement..but I am virtually certain once the NCAA speaks on our case part of OSU's response will be to jettison Smith. I won't wish him ill, but I won't miss him. I will be too busy supporting the new names and faces at the top of our program..because one thing is certain:
We will find the way forward.

OSU remains the premier program in the land. It is still built on the concept of paying if forward.

There are some hard decisions that need to be made, and some tough moments for good people are coming. But we will see OSU take the steps needed to get this ship back on course. It is more than just the W-L record we are talking about now. We left that behind when it became about the character of our university.

Anyone noticing all that Will Allen is doing for his community? Have we forgotten Tyson Gentry? How about Drushaun Humphrey's mom receiving a championship ring? If any of you have had the pleasure of meeting Archie Griffin then you know what being a Buckeye is about. It isn't just Big Ten titles.

Our detractors need to get their shots in while they can..because we won't be the victim much longer. It may be a tough year on (and even off) the field..but I know Ohio State remains the once and future king.
 
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