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2009 Polls - Regular and Pre-Season

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Well, CFN has their rankings up.

Some notables:

7. Virginia Tech 2-1
11. Michigan 3-0
12. Notre Dame 2-1
18. Ohio State 2-1
20. Oklahoma 2-1
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At least when you read their comments on the OSU game you know they're experiencing a complete disconnect from reality.
18. Ohio State 2-1
Last Week: at Toledo 38-0
This Week: Illinois
Why the ranking is too high: If Washington could get the job done at home against USC, why couldn't Ohio State? The offense still isn't producing at a consistently high level, and the defensive line isn't doing nearly enough to get into the backfield.
Why the ranking is too low: Terrelle Pryor finally started to play like Terrelle Pryor. It was only one game, and it came against Toledo, but Pryor was fantastic and the defense was swarming against Aaron Opelt and the high-octane attack.
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Rittenberg has our back?

From Adam Rittenberg at ESPN (Big Ten Blogger for the few who didn't know)

Ohio State actually fell two spots in the poll to No. 13, a surprising result after its 38-0 pasting of Toledo. The Buckeyes' drop had very little to do with their performance Saturday and stemmed more from USC's shocking loss to Washington. Most voters couldn't justify putting Ohio State ahead of USC after the Trojans won in Columbus on Sept. 12.

Still, tell me how Oklahoma moves up two spots and Ohio State falls? Oklahoma lost to a BYU team that embarrassed itself against Florida State. Sure, the Sooners shut out Tulsa, but Ohio Stat shut out Toledo. I'll have more on this Monday, but the favoritism toward Oklahoma and the hatred of the Buckeyes is getting a little ridiculous.


I know it's early in the season, and these things generally tend to correct themselves a bit as the season goes on, but he's right on the money about the disrespect shown towards the Buckeyes.

Screw em. Kill em all and let the paramedics sort em out.

:oh:
 
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Kueller;1547160; said:
Warning: Do not read while consuming food or drink. You are liable to choke to death and/or spray beverages on your computer if you ignore this warning.
Well, CFN has their rankings up.

Some notables:


At least when you read their comments on the OSU game you know they're experiencing a complete disconnect from reality.
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I normally look to CFN for a little sanity when it comes to rankings. This week's version was not their best work.
 
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buckeye78;1547163; said:
From Adam Rittenberg at ESPN (Big Ten Blogger for the few who didn't know)

Ohio State actually fell two spots in the poll to No. 13, a surprising result after its 38-0 pasting of Toledo. The Buckeyes' drop had very little to do with their performance Saturday and stemmed more from USC's shocking loss to Washington. Most voters couldn't justify putting Ohio State ahead of USC after the Trojans won in Columbus on Sept. 12.

Still, tell me how Oklahoma moves up two spots and Ohio State falls? Oklahoma lost to a BYU team that embarrassed itself against Florida State. Sure, the Sooners shut out Tulsa, but Ohio Stat shut out Toledo. I'll have more on this Monday, but the favoritism toward Oklahoma and the hatred of the Buckeyes is getting a little ridiculous.


I know it's early in the season, and these things generally tend to correct themselves a bit as the season goes on, but he's right on the money about the disrespect shown towards the Buckeyes.

Screw em. Kill em all and let the paramedics sort em out.

:oh:
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Funny you should bring this up.
CFN has Houston (22) above Okie state (23), and UW (16) over USC (17) over OSU (18)...but when it comes to Oklahoma (21), well the transitive property doesn't apply to their loss to BYU (25).

:io:
 
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People complain all the time about the computers, but the computers aren't biased and don't count "style points", and the human polls obviously factor in both of those. Just shows how the nation feels about Ohio State and the Big Ten. No respect.

This should be all the motivation our boys need going into league play. Take care of business.
 
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This week's polls are interesting. In terms of a loss-chain, when there's an undefeated team that gave a team its only loss, and they gave another team its only loss, etc, the following ranking sequences can be justified:

LSU
Washington
USC
Ohio State

as well as:

Miami
Florida State
BYU
Oklahoma (if Oklahoma beats Miami, this becomes a circle-jerk)

But most voters didn't feel it necessary to move Washington above USC, although most felt USC needed to stay ahead of tOSU. The only reason is that Washington wasn't expected to be good in the preseason. In my opinion, that's a bullshit reason.

Similarly, voters didn't feel it was necessary to leave BYU ahead of Oklahoma - but the blowout loss to FSU can explain that. But why not have FSU ahead of Oklahoma? - they killed BYU (obviously Oklahoma didn't), and FSU's only loss is to an undefeated team in the top-10.

Many voters move teams a certain number of spots after a loss or a big win, rather than comparing them with the other teams on a 1-by-1 basis, since that's more time-consuming.

And my ballot doesn't look exactly like Doug Lesmerises' - I've got Miami #1 and Alabama #2. :wink2: I like his approach - it's obvious he's not trying to predict the way the final poll will look, he's trying to rank teams solely based on how their wins, their losses, and how well they've played so far this season. And I believe that's how polls should work during the season.
 
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buckeye78;1547163; said:
From Adam Rittenberg at ESPN (Big Ten Blogger for the few who didn't know)

Ohio State actually fell two spots in the poll to No. 13, a surprising result after its 38-0 pasting of Toledo. The Buckeyes' drop had very little to do with their performance Saturday and stemmed more from USC's shocking loss to Washington. Most voters couldn't justify putting Ohio State ahead of USC after the Trojans won in Columbus on Sept. 12.

Still, tell me how Oklahoma moves up two spots and Ohio State falls? Oklahoma lost to a BYU team that embarrassed itself against Florida State. Sure, the Sooners shut out Tulsa, but Ohio Stat shut out Toledo. I'll have more on this Monday, but the favoritism toward Oklahoma and the hatred of the Buckeyes is getting a little ridiculous.


I know it's early in the season, and these things generally tend to correct themselves a bit as the season goes on, but he's right on the money about the disrespect shown towards the Buckeyes.

Screw em. Kill em all and let the paramedics sort em out.

:oh:
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Here's his whole article
 
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Kueller;1547160; said:
Warning: Do not read while consuming food or drink. You are liable to choke to death and/or spray beverages on your computer if you ignore this warning.
Well, CFN has their rankings up.

Some notables:


At least when you read their comments on the OSU game you know they're experiencing a complete disconnect from reality.
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I can't stop laughing at scUM in the 11 spot. I can not wait to see what the Bucks are going to do to those pretenders.
 
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buckeyboy;1547337; said:
I can't stop laughing at scUM in the 11 spot. I can not wait to see what the Bucks are going to do to those pretenders.
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dear CFN,

im sure Ohio State would be undefeated to if they had played West Michigan Notre Dame and East Michigan..........
 
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BB73;1547226; said:
This week's polls are interesting. In terms of a loss-chain, when there's an undefeated team that gave a team its only loss, and they gave another team its only loss, etc, the following ranking sequences can be justified:

LSU
Washington
USC
Ohio State

as well as:

Miami
Florida State
BYU
Oklahoma (if Oklahoma beats Miami, this becomes a circle-jerk)

But most voters didn't feel it necessary to move Washington above USC, although most felt USC needed to stay ahead of tOSU. The only reason is that Washington wasn't expected to be good in the preseason. In my opinion, that's a bull[censored] reason.

Similarly, voters didn't feel it was necessary to leave BYU ahead of Oklahoma - but the blowout loss to FSU can explain that. But why not have FSU ahead of Oklahoma? - they killed BYU (obviously Oklahoma didn't), and FSU's only loss is to an undefeated team in the top-10.

Many voters move teams a certain number of spots after a loss or a big win, rather than comparing them with the other teams on a 1-by-1 basis, since that's more time-consuming.

And my ballot doesn't look exactly like Doug Lesmerises' - I've got Miami #1 and Alabama #2. :wink2: I like his approach - it's obvious he's not trying to predict the way the final poll will look, he's trying to rank teams solely based on how their wins, their losses, and how well they've played so far this season. And I believe that's how polls should work during the season.
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I think we are in agreement, but it's worth pointing out that it's nearly impossible to wind up with a feedback-loop-free tournament with 120 teams under real world conditions. The graph theory gets horribly messy. The point being that using the 'transitive property of football herpes' to judge wins and losses is not in any way valid. Look hard enough, and you'll find a long enough chain to justify any arrangement of teams on your ballot.
 
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TheIronColonel;1547405; said:
I think we are in agreement, but it's worth pointing out that it's nearly impossible to wind up with a feedback-loop-free tournament with 120 teams under real world conditions. The graph theory gets horribly messy. The point being that using the 'transitive property of football herpes' to judge wins and losses is not in any way valid. Look hard enough, and you'll find a long enough chain to justify any arrangement of teams on your ballot.
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I do agree. But when only a couple of games have been played, I think the who-actuallly-beat-who method is better than gut feelings and preseason expectations. But you're right, in a few more weeks, it becomes almost impossible to use only that method.
 
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