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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

blueinfla;1528469; said:
Again, though, I'd be surprised to find out that there are not staffers at most, if not all, workouts at most every other school.

why? while it wouldn't surprise me to hear that this happens outside of scum land. i would be surprised to hear that it happens at the majority of schools let alone all. if it were as wide spread as you say we would hear about it the same way we heard about this. it only takes 1 kid to run his mouth about how much better their training and practices are than everyone elses. in fact, this story has been begging to be told since last year when your players were talking about how much better their s&c regime was.

scum isn't in this position because they broke the rules. they are in this position because they ran their mouths about it.

ysubuck;1528485; said:
Are the "current players" the two freshmen they interviewed or were there more that weren't named?

there are several current players who have confirmed the reports anonymously.
 
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My guess is that most programs have little to no reason to monitor voluntary workouts. Performance in (mandatory) practices should be enough evidence as to who is properly prepared. I suppose dysfunctional programs that are forced to resort to meaningless jingoisms might want to take attendance at voluntary workouts, though.
 
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martinss01;1528503; said:
it only takes 1 kid to run his mouth about how much better their training and practices are than everyone elses.

And one moronic "journalist". My guess as to how this all turns out: nothing happens to UM as there is no illegal activity taking place, and Rosenberg looks like an even bigger douche in the end.
 
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osugrad21;1528337; said:
Now is next year, and it should come without coincidence that the program has adopted the marketing slogan
?All in for Michigan.?

They say a picture's worth a thousand words:




AllInForMichigan.jpg
 
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blueinfla;1528530; said:
And one moronic "journalist". My guess as to how this all turns out: nothing happens to UM as there is no illegal activity taking place, and Rosenberg looks like an even bigger douche in the end.
more like no one gives a crap about *wink* voluntary *wink* workouts because everyone does it...

UM fans elsewhere have continued bringing up new links (like Clemons) to show the allegations were made up. It seems pretty clear that enough players talked about the all day practices on sunday, but it just isn't worth beating that topic to death... particularly not after the inevitable backlash of being one of those quoted about it. (see Clemons)
 
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ochre;1528526; said:
My guess is that most programs have little to no reason to monitor voluntary workouts. Performance in (mandatory) practices should be enough evidence as to who is properly prepared. I suppose dysfunctional programs that are forced to resort to meaningless jingoisms might want to take attendance at voluntary workouts, though.

gotta disagree here. imo every program would have every reason to not only monitor but to be directly involved in voluntary workouts. take pryor for example. if he spent the entire summer with the qb coach i can guarantee you that he would be further along in his throwing ability and would not have developed tendinitis in the process.

seeing who is putting in the work is only one small part of the equation and as you noted. its something that is disturbingly obvious the first day of practice. for dickrod the reasoning for doing so is VERY clear. he is sitting on a squad where the majority of the team, specifically the skill position players, are underclassmen. this season is without question a perception year. what his team does on the field can make or break his career at scum land. a wildly successful season where they compete for a big 10 title wouldn't just change perceptions. it would potentially open the door for contract renegotiations and raises. and lets not beat around the bush here. while the accuracy and severity of the current alleged violations can be debated. mr. rod being in significant need of large amounts of money can not.

if on the other hand this season is a monumental failure he could be facing termination. if that were to happen im not sure what positions would be available that would pay him well enough to meet his financial obligations. if ever anyone had the incentive to "go the extra mile", mr rod certainly does.

blueinfla;1528528; said:
Actually, the only current player that I've read that seems disgruntled is Greg Mathews. A couple freshman's quotes were, imo, used inappropriately, and out of context to suite the authors intentions.

either A. their comments were used appropriately or B. your freshmen need a refresher on the rules and how to deal with the media. im more than happy to chalk this up to freshmen being freshmen. but with everything else that was being said at the same time... talk about saying the wrong thing at the worst possible time.

blueinfla;1528530; said:
And one moronic "journalist". My guess as to how this all turns out: nothing happens to UM as there is no illegal activity taking place, and Rosenberg looks like an even bigger douche in the end.

legally speaking that is a distinct possibility. but from a team standpoint..? i have to think this is going to be a serious issue in the locker room. i might be able to chalk this up as a 1 time issue from a couple people who needed to vent and didn't know how to properly. but when i go back and watch the first quarter of the game from last year and see players having physical confrontations with coaches on the sidelines... dude.. not good. seriously. once is an abberation, twice is a pattern.
 
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Michigan Football (michigan_fball) on Twitter
Coach Rodriguez names Tate Forcier the starting QB for Saturday. First true freshman starter since Chad Henne in 2004.7 minutes ago from web
Surprise news tonight on the Coaches Radio Show at 7pm, live from Pizza House in A2. Listen on-air or at MGoBlue CBS College Sports All-Accessabout 4 hours ago from web
:lol: I like how they point out the distinction of being the first true freshman starter since 04, seeing as Henne was still starting in 05, 06 & 07. But congrats Tate, you achieved something that Feagin could not, that must be a real feather in your cap :p

Tate Forcier, the first true freshman starter at Michigan since the guy that graduated two years ago.

FWIW, I think Tate will be solid, but the real overhaul UM needed was in media relations.
 
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martinss01;1528624; said:
gotta disagree here. imo every program would have every reason to not only monitor but to be directly involved in voluntary workouts. take pryor for example. if he spent the entire summer with the qb coach i can guarantee you that he would be further along in his throwing ability and would not have developed tendinitis in the process.
Yeah. I re-read what I wrote and realized it didn't come across quite like I meant it to. I meant it more from the perspective of monitoring not being worth the risk of an NCAA infraction, because they would know from the practice results. I'm sure most staffs would very much like to be able to have direct roles in any organized/semi-organized "voluntary" programs. As an extension of that, if there is validity to the allegations, it could be implied that Michigan felt they needed to make sure players were "all in".
 
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