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Magua;2215426; said:
At some point don't coaches have to be held accountable for players not being held accountable? I know some players have been taken out and lost playing time over their mistakes, but maybe we aren't seeing enough of that, especially with all the purported talent the team has on that side of the ball.
Then again, maybe that talent just isn't really there or isn't ready. I think a lot of people assume the talent and depth are there because the team is always stocked with brand-name recruits. Not all of those guys live up to the highlight video you saw on YouTube, and none of those videos ever show the mistakes and bad habits that they may have been part of their game for years.
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daddyphatsacs
Let the cards fall...
lvbuckeye;2214429; said:
I am wondering the same if the defense doesn't start playing up to its ability. I think Meyers presser will be interesting this week....because he isn't shy about saying what he thinks, thats for damn sure.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
daddyphatsacs;2215885; said:
Hate to see it happen because Luke stood up and took over a program that by all rights could have come apart at the seams. He kept players, he reassured recruits and in the midst of a stressful year he never once threw a kid or a coach under the bus. He took it all on his own shoulders.
That said, Luke and Vrable remain the two coaches on the staff that weren't Urban's choices...
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I hate to see it because of what a class act he is, how he was thrust into that HC position prematurely in a complete backwards way (placed there because he wouldn't upset the balance of power, and then when things blew up, he was given the job with zero support or credibility from those around him).cincibuck;2215936; said:
That said, he didn't succeed in keeping things from coming apart at the seams, on or off the field.
He's way down the list of blame for that, but unfortunately things have slipped considerably.
If the defense hadn't fallen off the face of the map, it would be easier to ignore the head coaching responsibilities and blame.
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lvbuckeye;2214429; said:
Not a fan of putting tackle issues on the coach. Hell the Bucks were -1 on rushing last week, now he's in the hot seat? WTF?
If the players are doing well in practice on the basic fundamentals, and then aren't performing in the games even after substitutions then its the players issues, IMO.
Luke can't go out there and make the tackles for them. Im sure he feels like his seat is hot, but we have to look at how elusive Cal's players are vs other teams at the end of the season, not the morning after.
Never a fan of question coaching the morning after a narrow victory either. The other team played extremely well. If it were out players shredding defensive tackles we would chalk it up to great playmaking on the offense. But since its us missing tackles its all our fault? Dont get that one.
Luke is safe, IMO.
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The problem is consistency, plain and simple. A player will make a great play one down and a couple downs later will look like he's still in Pee Wee. I do agree the biggest overall problem is failing to wrap up. On the 81-yard TD run, Williams narrowly missed the RB in pursuit in the backfield, so I won't put too much on him, but then Shazier and Roby(?) flat fucking whiffed trying to make a hit instead of a tackle. Two more pathetic excuses for "tackles" on the second long TD run. Fundamentals prevent those two scores and keep Cal from getting second-half momentum.
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Ramblings:
1. Any thoughts that the one on one competitions the team does is affecting the way they play.. more individualistic and woo-hoo big hit ... they don't tackle/wrap-up in those drills either...
2. With the intensity of the practices.. could we be tired-legged and need a rest.. maybe I'm only thinking of the LBs..
3. The defense (with the exception of the DL) seems to be in need of THE take-charge dude.. and I don't see him.. maybe a younger kid is the dude and needs to step up.. generally it's our Mike.. but since there is not a stability there.. that position can't be THE take-charge dude and nobody's steppin up to fill the gap
3. Just when I think I can hold my own about football, I watch a game that Chris Spielman is the analyst.. and find myself glued to his every word.. the dude is a defensive genius.. I want him to watch every game and have a halftime conference call with our defensive coaches... he's amazing
1. Any thoughts that the one on one competitions the team does is affecting the way they play.. more individualistic and woo-hoo big hit ... they don't tackle/wrap-up in those drills either...
2. With the intensity of the practices.. could we be tired-legged and need a rest.. maybe I'm only thinking of the LBs..
3. The defense (with the exception of the DL) seems to be in need of THE take-charge dude.. and I don't see him.. maybe a younger kid is the dude and needs to step up.. generally it's our Mike.. but since there is not a stability there.. that position can't be THE take-charge dude and nobody's steppin up to fill the gap
3. Just when I think I can hold my own about football, I watch a game that Chris Spielman is the analyst.. and find myself glued to his every word.. the dude is a defensive genius.. I want him to watch every game and have a halftime conference call with our defensive coaches... he's amazing
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To the coach guru's
Whose coaching responsibility does it fall
when there are WIDE open receivers (WR or RB) and absolutely no one is around to defend
I can appreciate the "a miscommunication" line
but is that the DB coach or the DC
Whose coaching responsibility does it fall
when there are WIDE open receivers (WR or RB) and absolutely no one is around to defend
I can appreciate the "a miscommunication" line
but is that the DB coach or the DC
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
Interesting the comments about players looking to make the big hit highlight reel. I had the same thought watching the game. Nothing wrong with the competition drills but defense is best with 11 hats on the ball.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Unfortunately, I love Fickell and what he's done for OSU but if OSU continues this pace on defense for the full year I'm not too sure if he'll be around next year.
Urban seems like a very demanding guy and I think we improve now that we won't face many more teams with such strong passing attacks. In saying that if we don't improve considering the talent of the B1G then i'd guess something will change. It won't matter wether that means giving the younger talent a chance or a coaching change.
Urban seems like a very demanding guy and I think we improve now that we won't face many more teams with such strong passing attacks. In saying that if we don't improve considering the talent of the B1G then i'd guess something will change. It won't matter wether that means giving the younger talent a chance or a coaching change.
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Braxton Miller thread:
Defense thread:
So in one thread you're blaming coaches, refusing to acknowledge the significance of lapses in execution by players, and dismissing other opinions because we don't know what goes on behind the scenes in practice.
In the other thread you're blaming the players, refusing to acknowledge the extent to which coaches are responsible for outcomes in the game and making assumptions based on what goes on behind the scenes in practice.
Got it.
SEREbuckeye;2215199; said:
Defense thread:
SEREbuckeye;2215944; said:
So in one thread you're blaming coaches, refusing to acknowledge the significance of lapses in execution by players, and dismissing other opinions because we don't know what goes on behind the scenes in practice.
In the other thread you're blaming the players, refusing to acknowledge the extent to which coaches are responsible for outcomes in the game and making assumptions based on what goes on behind the scenes in practice.
Got it.
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1926Buckeyes
Head Coach
It's too early to start talking about Fickell being on the hot seat, but yes, after having significant problems last year and having them again show up this year, I'm starting to lose a bit of confidence in the former assistant coach of the year.
There are some young guys at LB, but that's no excuse for the bad tackling, missed assignments, and long list of big plays that have already occurred against OSU this year.
There are some young guys at LB, but that's no excuse for the bad tackling, missed assignments, and long list of big plays that have already occurred against OSU this year.
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jlb1705;2216124; said:
Cool, you read my opinions on different issues. Maybe you got tripped up on the comprehension part.
In Braxton's thread I said that I felt it the coaches held him back with play calling this game. I also said I wasn't going to place blame on him for missing open receivers. Finding open recievers is freakin hard to do, this aint XBox. Its not easy to look through two lines of defenders while getting chased down by a 250 pound man.
As for tackling, thats a basic fundamental. If a players helmet is on the offensive player its up to the player to wrap up - not the coach. The coach can't go in and do something easy easy like wrap up. Thats easy to learn and is square one of pee wee football.
You are picking an internet fight are comparing apples to oranges (tackling and defense vs offense and play calls/reading defenders). Please, next time PM with this instead of wasting space in this thread.
(break, break)
Back to the OSU defense.
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