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5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

DaveyBoy;1846179; said:
if that is what it takes to make a statement in favor of integrity, then yes.

Integrity would be paying these players enough money to survive on.

Integrity would be to have a rainy day fund available to players when someone arises, something that is designed to be a one time help for players to avoid having to decide to help himself or his family financially and put himself and his team in danger of issues.

Integrity is not lying to your athletes and calling them amateur while you make more money on their names, jerseys, likenesses on video games and ticket sales than the "professionals" make for their organizations.

All I know is that if my mom was being threatened to have her house foreclosed on because she owed $3000 in rent payments, I'd sell some of my shat to help her out even if it came at a personal cost to me. It's my mother.
 
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Esoteria;1846248; said:
All I know is that if my mom was being threatened to have her house foreclosed on because she owed $3000 in rent payments, I'd sell some of my shat to help her out even if it came at a personal cost to me. It's my mother.
Did this happen? Gene Smith mentioned this at the press confrence, but does anyone actually know if the money they made went to a "noble" cause like the example above?

Also, TPs press confrence leads me to believe that all 5 of these guys won't be back next year..
 
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Esoteria;1846248; said:
Integrity would be paying these players enough money to survive on. You mean they can't stay in a dorm and have all the food they want isn't enough to survive on ? Or you mean they can't get 4 to 6 guys to live together in a flop house and share the expenses ? I do agree with you that if they have to pay for gas in their Denali or to get a new tattoo every quarter that these needs could exceed what a scholarship athlete gets. That argument is not going to work.

Integrity would be to have a rainy day fund available to players when someone arises, something that is designed to be a one time help for players to avoid having to decide to help himself or his family financially and put himself and his team in danger of issues. I agree with this and I'm pretty sure there are these funds that are available...but again, they aren't going to pay to refuel the Denali or buy more tattoos. There are Pell grants too. Students are supposed to be poor because they are working on preparing themselves for their careers....it's been that way for a hundred years.

Integrity is not lying to your athletes and calling them amateur while you make more money on their names, jerseys, likenesses on video games and ticket sales than the "professionals" make for their organizations. Who is "lying" ? The Ohio State University ? Because the NCAA isn't making the money. The money that goes to the member institutions goes to pay the salary of the athletics administration (36 varsity sports) and for over 300 athletic scholarships every year. By the way, the players signed on for this treatment by the universities and are always more than willing to sign the pro contracts that come along with having gotten the exposure and training of playing at OSU. And the diploma from OSU helps these poor, abused student-athletes make 10 times what they would have made without the college diploma.

All I know is that if my mom was being threatened to have her house foreclosed on because she owed $3000 in rent payments, I'd sell some of my shat to help her out even if it came at a personal cost to me. It's my mother. That's fine...sell it. But please don't expect to be treated like you played by the rules....because you didn't. But the more you read about these so-called "poor" athletes the more you hear about how that moeny went to buy tattoos...or to buy insurance and gas for a Yukon Denali. Your line of reasoning is precisely why youth feel there are no consequences to their actions. The cycle keeps on keeping on because there are rarely consequences being paid. If TP and company take their punishment like it looks they will, then they will hopefully learn a lesson and be a good lesson for many other young folks.

Go Bucks !
 
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Bleed S & G;1846262; said:
Did this happen? Gene Smith mentioned this at the press confrence, but does anyone actually know if the money they made went to a "noble" cause like the example above?

Also, TPs press confrence leads me to believe that all 5 of these guys won't be back next year..


If they pledged to Tress that they would be back and then they will be persona non grata in Columbus.

There are many life long perks that go along with being an Ohio State football player in Columbus. It opens many doors and those doors would be closed forever if one of these guys makes Jim Tressel look foolish.
 
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DaveyBoy;1846275; said:
You mean they can't stay in a dorm and have all the food they want isn't enough to survive on ? Or you mean they can't get 4 to 6 guys to live together in a flop house and share the expenses ? I do agree with you that if they have to pay for gas in their Denali or to get a new tattoo every quarter that these needs could exceed what a scholarship athlete gets. That argument is not going to work.

All I'm saying is that they should be able to go see a movie if they want without it carrying some kind of punishment along with it. I don't know where the Denali came from, who of these 5 drives a Denali? I know that Pryor was stopped in 2008 while test driving a Denali, but he doesn't own one as far as I know.

DaveyBoy;1846275; said:
I agree with this and I'm pretty sure there are these funds that are available...but again, they aren't going to pay to refuel the Denali or buy more tattoos. There are Pell grants too. Students are supposed to be poor because they are working on preparing themselves for their careers....it's been that way for a hundred years.

It was made clear that these funds are not available for athletes during Gene Smith's press conference. Also, federal grants are for paying for tuition, since tuition is free they are not eligible for federal pell grants.

DaveyBoy;1846275; said:
Who is "lying" ? The Ohio State University ? Because the NCAA isn't making the money. The money that goes to the member institutions goes to pay the salary of the athletics administration (36 varsity sports) and for over 300 athletic scholarships every year. By the way, the players signed on for this treatment by the universities and are always more than willing to sign the pro contracts that come along with having gotten the exposure and training of playing at OSU. And the diploma from OSU helps these poor, abused student-athletes make 10 times what they would have made without the college diploma.

The whole system is a lie. These players are not amateurs. Football is their job. They are professional football players. High school football players are amateurs.

DaveyBoy;1846275; said:
That's fine...sell it. But please don't expect to be treated like you played by the rules....because you didn't. But the more you read about these so-called "poor" athletes the more you hear about how that moeny went to buy tattoos...or to buy insurance and gas for a Yukon Denali. Your line of reasoning is precisely why youth feel there are no consequences to their actions. The cycle keeps on keeping on because there are rarely consequences being paid. If TP and company take their punishment like it looks they will, then they will hopefully learn a lesson and be a good lesson for many other young folks.

I don't disagree with their being rules in place. But rules without flexibility do not work. They need to be able to take circumstances into account when it comes to punishment. Could you imagine our justice system if judges had absolutely no say in punishments, but only in guilt?
 
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Muck;1846330; said:
Could you please provide a list of all the players who have died of starvation or exposure to the elements from not having a roof over their head?

That is such a simplistic way of looking at things .... a roof over your head and meals on the table are what you are thankful for when you are living in poverty or unemployed without means.

That's enough to survive, but is that enough to actually live on? For an 18-24 year old?
 
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Esoteria;1846381; said:
That is such a simplistic way of looking at things .... a roof over your head and meals on the table are what you are thankful for when you are living in poverty or unemployed without means.

That's enough to survive, but is that enough to actually live on? For an 18-24 year old?

I'll guarantee you that they are getting WAY more than I got.
 
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Esoteria;1846381; said:
That is such a simplistic way of looking at things .... a roof over your head and meals on the table are what you are thankful for when you are living in poverty or unemployed without means.

That's enough to survive, but is that enough to actually live on? For an 18-24 year old?
Sure it is, they need to learn how to manage finances anyway. They get big bucks every bowl game they can pocket if they get a cheap ticket or drive.

Can players not get a job? If not I'd change that rule before giving them "spending money."
 
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Sure it is, they need to learn how to manage finances anyway. They get big bucks every bowl game they can pocket if they get a cheap ticket or drive.

Can players not get a job? If not I'd change that rule before giving them "spending money."
They can get summer jobs, and they can get student loans. Some also qualify for Pell Grants, if they bother to apply.
 
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I am not certain but I would think they might have some trouble getting federal loans. Each school has an estimated cost of attendance based on tuition, books, room and board, etc. A student can get a federal loan up to the amount of that estimated cost of attendance. However, if you are receiving financial assistance (scholarships, grants, etc) that amount is deducted from the estimated cost of attendance. I would think the net result for a student-athlete is that the scholarships, grants, etc would eat into most of the money they would be otherwise eligible to take out as federal loans.

(at least that is my recollection of how it works...)
 
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