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A fair article from CFB: OSU has more Issues

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by OSUBasketballJunkie, Dec 30, 2004.

  1. OSUBasketballJunkie

    OSUBasketballJunkie Never Forget 31-0

    This is just my opinion but I have to agree with this part, I am a Troy Smith fan, load of talent, but at what point does the line have to drawn?

    Would all of Buckeye Nation be calling for his dismissal from the team IF he had lost the SCUM game? Food for thought......

    Its time to make some hard decisions for the University, the program and the kids on the team who are doing the right things, the right way.

    Its hard to sit here and see the team that I love be thrown to the wolves and realize that at least some of it is justified by our own kid's actions.
  2. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    where has this idiot been? watch espin much?
  3. Why should OSU kick Smith off the team when no other teams in the country have done so? The NCAA set the penalty at 20% of the season and that is fair. This has happened many times and all players have served their 1 or 2 game supension.
  4. I agree somewhat...

    but I think coach is right! Booting him would be the easy thing. Then he wouldn't learn from it because he would just go play for another team and do the same thing. He did the wrong thing period. He was stupid and dumb but to crucify him that's not the right thing to do in my opinion. If you go out drinking with your buddies. Then drive drunk, get a dui. They don't take your license away for life, they just take them for a short time. Some people never get another one because they learned from it. If they investigate smith. And he has been taking alot of money for some time then boot him! Then he doesn't deserve to be a buckeye. If not, then make him earn his spot back as the starter by having him do community service for 1000 hrs or something like that. Be hard and send a message to others. If he doesn't want to do this to get the trust of the team back then boot him! Do something that makes him have to earn his spot back! That's all i'm saying.
  5. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    I am a real Troy Smith fan but I also think he should be kicked off. The NCAA penalty is a minimum and OSU should set a higher standard. Anything short of kicking him off just keeps this whole thing alive. It's like the Tylenol tragedy. J&J pulled the entire stock around the world off the shelf and incurred hundreds of millions in expenses in order to save the brand.

    We dare not underestimate the damage that has been done to our brand. In my opinion, he should be kicked off the team immediately.

  6. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    While I'm in no position to tell JT or Geiger what to do with Troy Smith, and I trust they will do the right thing, I think the situation here is a little different than one would find at the average university. What Troy Smith did was wrong and he's certainly paying the price. Taking money from a booster is dumb enough but getting involved in something like that in light of the recent scrutiny of the Ohio State program is beyond dumb. Not saying Troy has to be the fall guy but at some point Geiger has to get the point across that this kind of BS will not be tolerated by the university.
  7. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    Pretty good article, but I thought ESPN was hitting tOSU pretty hard. Was Fiu watching the same pre-game and half-time I saw? I remember seeing 'Can Tressel Survive?' graphics on the screen while Mark and Trev talked ad nauseum about the possibility of AG and JT losing their jobs.

    That said, I think that AG and JT need to come out and lay down the line for all infractions COMMITTED IN THE FUTURE. If more dirt is found on things that happened in the past, treat them the same as the way Troy Smith was treated.

    But put a policy in writing, saying that any NCAA infractions, no matter how minor, cost 1 full year of playing time, and that anyone's second infraction in the future, whether the first one already occurred before this policy or not, means you're permanently gone from the team. Our Athletic Department's reaction to incidents should be more of a penalty than NCAA guidelines call for.

    The bad booster, Baker, needs to be completly ostracized; while the booster that turned him in (Webster, I think) should be rewarded somehow.

    Anyone convicted of a felony should be premanently gone from the team. This may already be a policy, but it needs to be in writing and publicized.

    They need to do something very proactively, both to prevent problems and for the sake of appearances. Similar to the new recruiting policies that Colorado instituted after their big scandal earlier this year. It's all about the appearance of 'Institutional Control', and the perception that we're actively trying to avoid problems, rather than appearing to be saying 'What else can we do?'
  8. OSUBasketballJunkie

    OSUBasketballJunkie Never Forget 31-0

    With all due respect to your opinion, this is a fair question.

    In my opinion this is not an isolated incident, there is to much smoke here. The booster in question has had ties with Chris Gamble and provided "jobs" to him and other unnamed members of the team in the past, I believe the NCAA looked into this and deemed it as legal at the time. Now we find out this incident took place in the spring and cash was given....this is not the average situation, this incident is the latest in a long line of off the field problems.

    I do not wish Troy ill will or want him off the team, we would probably be better off with him on the field, but....his talent is not the question here and his character is in question.

    When is enough...enough?
  9. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    The shame of all of this is that these boosters have this extra money and we can't find a way to funnel it where it is really needed - the salaries of the coaches and ADs.

    Let's boost JT up to a million five and kick Smith to the curb. This kid owes us and he just doesn't get it.

    The hypocrisy of the NCAA - and many of us - is mind boggling.
  10. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    First, who said Smith "owes us" anything?

    Whether athletes should be paid or not is a totally different issue. As long as they are not being paid and taking money from boosters is not an allowable practice kids should be smart enough not to do it, period.

    Should prostitution be illegal? Should drugs be illegal? I'm sure it's open for debate but it's real simple, if you do the crime...
  11. Piney

    Piney Stay thirsty my friends Former Game Champion

    Besides ESPN who is hitting tOSU hard? In the Colorado case EVERYONE was hitting them hard. You couldn't get past the National Nightly News without mention of it or panels about it. And it launched an NCAA committee to change recruiting practices. I think he is right that the media could be ALOT worse.

    But I do find it funny that the Smith news was a week old before ESPN hit with anything. ESPN was silent up until the actual day of the game last night. If it was really big news they wouldn't have been able to wait.

    Back to the issues at hand. I find it hilarious that ESPN is trying to make what Smith did as verification of what Clarett said. I still maintain the biggest issue with the Clarett story is that University knew about it. All Smith does is verify that there is a Mr Such-n-Such. The big question is do any of our coaches introduce the players to Mr. Such-n-Such and tell them that is who you see to take care of any monetary issues. That is the big story I want to know the truth about... because if that is true heads must roll.

    But I don't believe that to be true. But Smith still must pay. A bowl game is not enough. But I say he starts on the bench for 2 games next year. Really, if Zwick plays the first game would you start Smith in his first game back against Texas??? Make a statement, say Smith is out for 2 games next year too.

    For all the years I loved making fun of Florida State, Miami, Alabama and the rest of the SEC, I wish those days could be possible again, but I know it will never be that way again.
  12. AkronBuckeye

    AkronBuckeye Banned

  13. AKAK

    AKAK Well, that's like hypnotizing chickens. Staff Member Tech Admin

    So how many hours do they spend working on football? What's that come to per hour?

    I really don't know they answer...but I bet it ain't "dearly"
  14. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    I agree - rules is rules and Smith and OSU have to be held accountable. But why go beyond that and suggest Smith should get more than the NCAA recommended penalty?

    Point of emphasis - unlike prostitution and drugs accepting moeny from a booster is not illegal. Smith comitted no crime. He broke a rule that the NCAA set up for itself.

    These NCAA rules were created so various schools could compete on a level playing field. That works just fine until you start pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the mix. Now the effect of the rules (if not their intent) is to make sure that the players who compete and keep the cash flowing don't see any of it. How many commercials did we watch last night? I didn't sit through those so I could watch JT dodge a Gatorade bucket - I wanted to see Ted Ginn. But Teddy got nada.

    The rules are the rules I agree - but they are hypocritical. These kids are the ones busting their butts - not us. To suggest we go beyond the rules and punish some kid even further when he has comitted NO crime is something I just don't get.

    The problem is the money and exacting stiffer and stiffer penalties against the players who earn it isn't the answer.

    Quick follow up to the 'free education' argument - which I knew was coming.

    Put Ted Ginn and Jim Tressel both on the open market next year and see if the NFL offers Ginn anything more than the monetary equivalent of a 'free education'. See if the relative value of their compensation is anything close to the current margin of roughly 40 to 1 that currently exists in JTs favor.
  15. Alan

    Alan Banned

    hawaiianbuckeye, myself and several others were having this discussion last was a good thread....let me see if i can find it.....

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