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Associate HC/DL Coach Larry Johnson Sr. (Official Thread)

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Mike80 said:
0.0 and that would be a godawful way to handle it in any case.

It's not like they didn't try. It's not like they didn't try to lead these kids to the right school. Money talks more apparently.

IF a 17 year old wants to chase the money and go 7-5 in the Pull-On Weed Eater bowl, so be it. That's not a kid you want at Ohio State.
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Ehh. This is the new normal for now.
I get the sentiment, but if we can't land anyone... the problem isn't all the recruits.
 
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Mike80 said:
Except they DID land someone. A couple of them. And they'll continue to land those who WANT to be here rather than those whose primary mission is chasing the bag.
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if said bag o'cash is the same size... I agree.... but if all things being equal except the bag o'cash? If this were two job offers... you'd still choose the one with the smaller paycheck because you want to be at that company or would you take the bag of cash and worry about if its a good place later because hey you can always apply for another job at said company?
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
if said bag o'cash is the same size... I agree.... but if all things being equal except the bag o'cash? If this were two job offers... you'd still choose the one with the smaller paycheck because you want to be at that company or would you take the bag of cash and worry about if its a good place later because hey you can always apply for another job at said company?
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That's a separate issue....and not one that really pertains to LJ Sr.

OSU has NIL problems, that's not really up for debate.

If it's a kid's primary motivation, rather than development into the next level, so be it. That's not going to be on the coaches, at least, the position coaches at any rate.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
So when our coaches recruited a kid, decided he was a good fit for OSU and the kid was going to take NIL money from OSU...he had good character but if he decides to take more money somewhere else, he has poor character and is not someone we want at OSU?

Is that the NIL era way of saying we cooled on him?
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One thing I wish we'd realize as a fanbase is that the NIL stuff really isn't coming from the schools directly. If it were, Ohio State wouldn't lose often as they have more cash than just about everyone.

The NIL collectives, as I understand it, are all external. IF anything, it's more of a Gene problem, but ultimately there's no shipping magnates, no oil, no shoes and no banking executives willing to throw $5 million just to get a 17 year old to sign on the dotted line here. I realize there are segments of the fanbase that can't grasp that, but I'm personally ok with it, call me stubborn if you wish. I'd rather the NIL money go to proven kids like MHJr and Trey among others who have actually DONE something to earn it.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
It’s great that we had the Bosa brothers and chase young, but that was now 8-10 years ago. 99% of non-Ohio recruits weren’t turning into the games at age 8-10 to watch. Without recent successes we have nothing to sell but yesterdays news.
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Yea kids these days really could care less about history when it comes to the school they pick, that selling point has not been worthwhile since like the earlier 2000s.
 
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Mike80 said:
One thing I wish we'd realize as a fanbase is that the NIL stuff really isn't coming from the schools directly. If it were, Ohio State wouldn't lose often as they have more cash than just about everyone.

The NIL collectives, as I understand it, are all external. IF anything, it's more of a Gene problem, but ultimately there's no shipping magnates, no oil, no shoes and no banking executives willing to throw $5 million just to get a 17 year old to sign on the dotted line here. I realize there are segments of the fanbase that can't grasp that, but I'm personally ok with it, call me stubborn if you wish. I'd rather the NIL money go to proven kids like MHJr and Trey among others who have actually DONE something to earn it.
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I think we all understand the nuance of where NIL money comes from. I think we all also understand that the schools coaches have a lot of input to which players get what offers from the available pool.

Technicalities about the mechanics of NIL doesn't have anything to do with the argument that kids who take more money upfront are somehow of bad character.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I think we all understand the nuance of where NIL money comes from. I think we all also understand that the schools coaches have a lot of input to which players get what offers from the available pool.

Technicalities about the mechanics of NIL doesn't have anything to do with the argument that kids who take more money upfront are somehow of bad character.
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I'm not questioning the character of the kids. Their handlers are a different animal, however. I am questioning the character of alleged adults who are losing their minds over unrelated 17 year olds making decisions for THEIR own good, as if a decision by a teenager who happens to be an offensive lineman has any bearing on the life of an unconnected 46 year old.

Sometimes kids make stupid and impulsive decisions. That's not a character judgement.

I remember when everyone and I mean literally EVERYONE flipped out with Elliott took a last minute visit to Missouri simply to make sure he was sure. You build a program with those kids, not with the kids who make decisions based on money. What has aTm won? Or Duh U?

I'm not one to hold other adults, especially the coaches who are running programs like Ohio State or UGA or Bama or whoever, responsible because some kid chose to chase the bag. That's life in the big time now. If that's the standard we might as well fire everyone now and fold the program. Thank God the fans don't make those decisions. Hopefully the new AD won't be easily swayed into implusive decisions based upon freakouts on BuckNuts and Twitter.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
So when our coaches recruited a kid, decided he was a good fit for OSU and the kid was going to take NIL money from OSU...he had good character but if he decides to take more money somewhere else, he has poor character and is not someone we want at OSU?

Is that the NIL era way of saying we cooled on him?
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It's cognitive dissonance, just with recruiting. We want to offer a bigger bag from an NIL collective, but when another school does it then it's unfair. We just need to be better at it until the regulations change. The whole subject pisses me off, but when something becomes reality you have to take care of it.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
So when our coaches recruited a kid, decided he was a good fit for OSU and the kid was going to take NIL money from OSU...he had good character but if he decides to take more money somewhere else, he has poor character and is not someone we want at OSU?

Is that the NIL era way of saying we cooled on him?
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