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BCS Title Contenders (Can tOSU get there?)

tOSU's 2008 "Magic Number"

I started talking about this last week in BB73's nice thread about tOSU's NCG chances. But since I'm from New Jersey, and because all people from New Jersey are self-important, I'm starting my own thread. Bada bing, bada boom, it's done.

So the win over Wisconsin took a year or two off of my life, but it's a win nonetheless. Before I take a look at where we're at after this past weekend, I'd like to make a small change to my number from last week.

Last week I said we needed 33 losses to occur for us to have a pretty good chance at the title game. I'm going back and making an amendment to that and saying that we need 34. However unlikely it may be, if Notre Dame wins out and beats USC in the process, they'd probably go into the title game over a 1-loss Buckeye squad. I think UNC, Va. Tech, and Cincinnati all would get left out with 1 loss over a Buckeye team with the same number of losses. With two of these games under our control (Northwestern and Penn State), the magic number going into last week should have been 32 and not 31.

On to this past weekend's action.

First off, let's take a look at the 6 "win-win" games I mentioned last week between two teams that tOSU both needs to lose (home team in CAPS).

ALABAMA 17, Kentucky 14
Missouri 52, NEBRASKA 17
Texas 38, COLORADO 14
Texas Tech 58, KANSAS STATE 28
SOUTHERN CAL 44, Oregon 10
VANDERBILT 14, Auburn 13

All in all, these games didn't turn out too well. A few chances for home underdogs to do us a favor and not coming through. Kentucky had a chance to knock one of the legs out from under Bama, who had looked invincible until this week, and didn't come through. On the bright side, I think the best possible way for USC to lose is another sleepwalking type game against a heavy underdog like they did with OrSU. A loss to Oregon at home would have made our loss to USC look that much worse.

Pleasant surprises? (Keep in mind I wrote the first post after the USF loss and the Utah win)

NORTH CAROLINA 38, UConn 12

Not like any of us actually thought UConn was an actual player in the NCG hunt, but the Big East is weak enough that they could have tiptoed their way into the NCG ahead of us had they somehow finished unbeaten. On a side note, how about Butch Davis at UNC. He's doing a phenomenal job and they're a tipped ball against Miami away from being a top 15 team and smack in the middle of this discussion.

Close calls?

Kansas 35, IOWA STATE 33

Knocking Kansas out of the NCG picture entirely would have been nice, but I don't think they're a true player anyway.

Magic Number?

Going into Friday's games, I said the magic number was 25. With the UConn loss, and the addition of Notre Dame to the list, the number stays just there.

This week's slate?

3 games "win-win" games tOSU needs both teams to lose in.

Texas-Oklahoma (at the Cotton Bowl) - Texas still has to play Missouri, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Kansas after this game. I'll be pulling for them as I don't think they can make it through those 4 games and the Big 12 CCG without dropping two.

Oklahoma State at Missouri - Missouri scares me; Oklahoma State does not. Advantage Missouri. I'll be pulling for the Cowboys in this one.

LSU at Florida - Florida already has one loss and with what I've seen from them this year, I'm not tremendously impressed. I'll be pulling for Florida to pull off the upset and give LSU it's first loss of the year.

So at the very least, tOSU's magic number will be dropped to 22.

Potential Upsets?

1) ASU at USC - This is ASU's superbowl. They we're a supposed top 15 team coming into this year, and now with 3 losses, this and the Arizona games are the only two games left that matter. With USC's tendency to sleepwalk after big games, this could be one to watch. Of course, if USC shows up before the 4th quarter, this game is a blowout.
2) Vanderbilt at Mississippi State - I'm not sold on Vanderbilt. I know the defense is good, but so is MSU's. The Bulldogs held Auburn to 3 points last time they played at home
3) Colorado at Kansas - Kansas struggled mightily with Iowa State. Colorado is a much better offensive football team than Iowa State. I would have this at number 1, but I'm not sure how much of an upset it really is.

The Bucks?

Another week, another win, and we looked a little better than last week, when considering the competition. Beanie is Beanie and Pryor is showing he might be a little more like Vince Young than even initially thought. The kid is clearly a winner.

This week I have a feeling the 'Shoe is gonna be several notches higher in terms of intensity than we've seen all season. I think we handle Purdue.

OSU 34, Purdue 17.



Stay tuned. If we keep getting a little better every week, and the card fall into place, we might have a very special season on our hands.
 
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rocketman;1282994; said:
Just to nitpick, but MSU and Northwestern play each other this week, so one of them won't be ranked afterward. The Illini play Minnesota, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Western Michigan before they reach us. All of those games are winnable, with the exception of Wisconsin. Beat Wisconsin and they will be ranked.
Presuming NW loses to Sparty this week, they've still got plenty of time to work their way back into the Top-25. The OSU/NW game is five weeks away. After Sparty, the 'Cats face Purdue, Indiana, and Minnesota. If NW enters the OSU game 8-1, which is achievable with the way they've been playing defense, they'll be ranked.

Illinois, similarly, could lose another game and would still be rounding out the Top 25 by mid-November. Their losses thus far are to two Top-5 caliber teams. The quality of opponent for their losses would dictate they're among the highest ranked three loss teams, presuming they even lose again before playing OSU. By mid-November, there will be lots of three-loss teams in the polls. Illinois would be one of them.
 
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mross34;1283010; said:
But since I'm from New Jersey, and because all people from New Jersey are self-important, I'm starting my own thread. Battabing, battaboom, it's done.
If you're from Jersey, shouldn't you know that it's "Bada Bing, Bada Boom?"
 
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Dryden;1283023; said:
If you're from Jersey, shouldn't you know that it's "Bada Bing, Bada Boom?"

Sorry... I was too busy listening to techno remixes of Journey, gelling my hair to ridiculous proportions, shaving my bodyhair, tanning, and living in my parents' house until I'm 30 to run spellcheck.
 
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rocketman;1282994; said:
Just to nitpick, but MSU and Northwestern play each other this week, so one of them won't be ranked afterward. The Illini play Minnesota, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Western Michigan before they reach us. All of those games are winnable, with the exception of Wisconsin. Beat Wisconsin and they will be ranked.

I agree with this 100%, but I have to admit, I'm still surprised that Iowa is considered a winnable game along with the likes of Indiana and Western Michigan.
 
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poorohio;1283034; said:
I agree with this 100%, but I have to admit, I'm still surprised that Iowa is considered a winnable game along with the likes of Indiana and Western Michigan.
Iowa lost to the likes of Northwestern and Pitt, while improving, until Iowa gets a solid QB situation, they are still upper tier three in the big ten this year. Illinois has lost by 10 to number 2/3 Missouri and by 14 to number 6 Penn state, there is a major difference in quality of losses there.
 
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Updated with the losses of 3 of the top 4 teams yesterday.

Note - this thread's purpose is to track the chances of tOSU making it to the top two of the BCS, ASSUMING that tOSU is able to win their remaining games. This is NOT the place to bemoan tOSU's offensive struggles.

This analysis assumes that the SEC and Big 12 Champions will need 2 losses in order to finish behind tOSU. The ACC teams all have a loss already, so they're not listed. Only undefeated Big Ten teams are shown, since tOSU will play them. Other BCS teams whose only loss is to another BCS team, and all undefeated teams are listed.

Teams that need to lose twice for tOSU to end up above them:

Team (Losses, tough games left, games won are gray)
Alabama (at Tenn, at LSU, Auburn, SEC CCG)
LSU (at Fla, at S. Car, Georgia, Bama, SEC CCG)
Vanderbilt (Auburn, at Miss St. at Georgia, Fla, Tenn, at Wake, SEC CCG))
Georgia ('Bama, Tenn, Vandy, at LSU, Fla, at Auburn, Ga Tech, SEC CCG)
Florida (Ole Miss, LSU, 'at' Ga(Jax), at Vandy, at FSU, SEC CCG)

Texas (at Colo, at Okla(Dallas), Mizzou, Okie St, at TTech, at Kansas, B12 CCG)
Texas Tech (at K St, Neb, at Kan, Tex, Okie St, at Okla, B12 CCG)
Oklahoma State (at Mizzou, at Tex, at TTech, at Colo, Okla, B12 CCG)
Oklahoma (Tex(Dallas), Kansas, at K St, Neb, TTEch, at Okie St, B12 CCG)
Missouri (at Neb, Okie St. at Tex, Colo, K St, Kansas, B12 CCG)
Kansas (at USF, Colo, at Okla, TTech, K St, at Neb, Tex. at Mizzou, B12 CCG)

USC (at Oregon St, Oregon, Ariz St, at Ariz, Cal)
Cal (at Md, Ariz St, at Ariz, Oregon, at USC, at Oreg St)

Teams that may need to lose once more for tOSU to end up above them:
Penn St. (plays at tOSU, other games don't really matter for tOSU)

BYU (at TCU, at Air Force, at Utah)
Utah (Oreg St, at New Mex, TCU, BYU)

Cincinnati (Okla, at UConn, at WV, at L'ville)

Other undefeated teams that probably have no chance at the Title Game:
Tulsa (at Ark, at Houston)
Boise St.(at Nevada, Fresno St)
Ball St (at Toledo, at Miami Oh, at Cent Mich)

These teams have been dropped here since they're no longer a concern:
Auburn (LSU, at Vandy, Ark, at WV, at Ole Miss, Ga, at 'Bama, SEC CCG)
Kentucky (at 'Bama, S. Car., at Fla, Ga, Vandy, at Tenn, SEC CCG)

Colorado (at FSU, Texas, at Kan, K St, at Mizzou, Okis St, Neb, B12 CCG)
Kansas State (at L'ville, TTech, at Colo, Okla, at Kan, at Mizzou, Neb, B12 CCG)
Nebraska (Va Tech, Mizzou, at TTech, at Okla, Kan, at K St, Colo, B12 CCG)

Oregon (Boise St, at USC, at Ariz St, at Cal, at Oreg St)

USF (Pitt, at L'ville, at Cincy, UConn, at WV)
UConn (at N Car, Cincy, WV, at USF)

Notre Dame (at Mich St, at N Car, at BC, at USC)

NW'ern (MSU, hosts tOSU, other games don't matter for tOSU)
 
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Both Brigham Young and Utah have fairly easy schedules the rest of the way, except for the fact that they both play TCU, and they will play in the final game of the season. I think one of those teams will end the season undefeated. After what I saw from Texas yesterday, I can't see them losing to anyone the rest of the season and the same goes for Florida. I know that Florida has Georgia coming up but I don't think the Georgia defense can contain Florida. Personally, I don't see any way Ohio State did make it to the championship game even if they win out.
 
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Unless this team improves dramatically and starts playing in dominating fashion the short answer is...NO.

I am a fan of this program but the line play to date in no way shows that the team belongs in the top 2 teams in the nation at any point of the season.
 
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02Buckeyes06;1289702; said:
Rose Bowl Game Presented by Citi
PENN STATE VS LSU


FedEx Orange
BYU VS BOISE STATE

Allstate Sugar
ALABAMA VS OKLAHOMA


Tostitos Fiesta
OHIO STATE VS FLORIDA(REMATCH)

FedEx BCS National Championship Game
TEXAS VS USC (REMATCH)
Thanks for putting SC in the champ. game, but alot still has to happen for that to become true. Sc needs to take care of business the rest of the season, and get alittle help from the other conferences. So far so good!
 
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