Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[cincibuck]

I don't think he was using the "serious" font. I don't know.. I can't keep track any more.

It's that hint of irony he (Kinch) adds to his fonts (that and his man purse) that throws you off when you're trying to figure out if he's serious or sarcastic. I think that's cynical, but I can't find that damn font either.

 

[Oh8ch]

And the greatest irony is that we should have this discussion in a thread about expanding a conference whose name is a number.

 

[localyokel]

Are you serious?

I think Kinch was being sarcastic, but it's really hard to tell for sure.

If only there were some method of indicating sarcastic intent...

 

[jlb1705]

I went to the Nebraska/Va Tech game last year in Blacksburg. Great little city, great campus and great fans, but it isn't very easy to get to. Stadium is pretty small as well. How are their academics?

Decent as far as I've heard, but not an AAU member.

 

[southcampus]

Decent as far as I've heard, but not an AAU member.

Neither is Notre Dame. But I understand they are in a different category. Maryland and Virginia are both AAU members however.

 

[kinch]

It's that hint of irony he (Kinch) adds to his fonts (that and his man purse) that throws you off when you're trying to figure out if he's serious or sarcastic. I think that's cynical, but I can't find that damn font either.

Oh come now cinci-- you are one of the very few who has met me. You know that I am never serious, usually, and that your are always cynical, sometimes, and at the very least that I am always annoying and typically saying something more than what I say, or write, or poop.

 

[kinch]

And to be relevant:

Yes, I think 16 team leagues are coming and that they should. I think we should go Eastward because, while South is better for population movement, it simply doesn't fit. You don't have to have the population (look at Nebraska and Oklahoma), you have to have the institutions, the TV sets, and the teams.

Grab Rutgers (give them 20 years and they'll be great), Maryland (at least it is a bit south, and good overall for every consideration), and one other school. Then let ND make its move, but let them know if they join then nobody will any longer be their bitch. They'll be just another school. Done.

 

[cincibuck]

Oh come now cinci-- you are one of the very few who has met me. You know that I am never serious, usually, and that your are always cynical, sometimes, and at the very least that I am always annoying and typically saying something more than what I say, or write, or poop.

 

[cincibuck]

And to be relevant:

Yes, I think 16 team leagues are coming and that they should. I think we should go Eastward because, while South is better for population movement, it simply doesn't fit. You don't have to have the population (look at Nebraska and Oklahoma), you have to have the institutions, the TV sets, and the teams.

Grab Rutgers (give them 20 years and they'll be great), Maryland (at least it is a bit south, and good overall for every consideration), and one other school. Then let ND make its move, but let them know if they join then nobody will any longer be their bitch. They'll be just another school. Done.

Why would ANY ACC team want to join the Big Ten (or the SEC)? There's no increase in the academics, they'll get their hat handed to them in football and they won't be that much better off in basketball. It's a solid conference in terms of history -- unlike the Big East or the Big Bevo -- and traditional rivalries. If anything I see most of them wanting to call up the SEC and making a trade -- FSU and Miami for Vandy.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Grab Rutgers (give them 20 years and they'll be great), Maryland (at least it is a bit south, and good overall for every consideration), and one other school. Then let ND make its move, but let them know if they join then nobody will any longer be their bitch. They'll be just another school. Done.

And if they don't, we immediately stop scheduling them in everything except those sports where we're bound to them in another conference (fencing, hockey, lacrosse). While we're at it, we set about getting the BTHC up and running and leave their hockey program behind to suck wind with the Fredo schools and directional Michigans.

I'd also say that we strongly pressure the other superconferences to freeze them out also. Let them whither into irrelevance like another one time Catholic football power did. Let them be the next Fordham.

There is a price for going full retard, and the domers need to pay it.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Why would ANY ACC team want to join the Big Ten (or the SEC)?

There could be millions of reasons....

 

[cincibuck]

There could be millions of reasons....

You presume that BTN will sell anywhere and I don't buy it. The DC tv market follows the Redskins, Navy, Maryland and UVA. There's no history to support it except the Maryland - Penn State rivalry that ended when the Lions joined the Big 10. If there were a market for college football the ACC core schools certainly have enough wherewithal to put a conference net together and it would do in that market. With the notable exception of Notre Dame college football is difficult to sell on a national market.

 

[sandgk]

You presume that BTN will sell anywhere and I don't buy it.

I'm not sure he is assuming BTN sells everywhere - though probably it does sell in MD, VA area, but less so than here, and would sell more if the BTN content was more than indirectly relevant to the region.

I take from that post that some institution - like, say, the other UM - would be netting a sizable upgrade in their distribution from a conference, versus that they currently receive from the ACC.

 

[jwinslow]

Maryland would be interested in the huge academic perks of the big ten.

They also could easily lose some of their premiere teams to the SEC, and with the recent drama they may prefer to hump to the rich stable conference rather then sitting on their hands waiting to be left in a decimated conference.

You presume that BTN will sell anywhere and I don't buy it. The DC tv market follows the Redskins, Navy, Maryland and UVA. There's no history to support it except the Maryland - Penn State rivalry that ended when the Lions joined the Big 10.

so your reasons for why that area would not be interested in big ten additions like maryland or uva is that they only watch maryland, uva and washington pro sports? That is one strange and self defeating argument.

If there were a market for college football the ACC core schools certainly have enough wherewithal to put a conference net together and it would do in that market. With the notable exception of Notre Dame college football is difficult to sell on a national market.

you seem to be misunderstanding how the marketing works. Their primary purpose is to broadcast the local big ten team, with a minor value for the occasional fringe viewership for osu, mich or a premiere game.

They do not have to win over subscribers to get paid, they simply need to offer a product in an area with enough intwrest to get it placed on basic cable.

They arent in competition with espn or major sports networks. They are competing with the fox sports regional channels, which dont have a strong national appeal either.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Now that we are 12 teams, should we do 2, 6 team divisions? Or what about going with 4, 3 team pods? The groupings should be fairly straight forward if you keep main rivals in the same pod. Then you can rotate the pods every other year to form divisions. The math works out pretty good for an 8 game conf schedule as well.

Pod A: Ohio St, Michigan, Indiana
Pod B: Penn St, Michigan St, Purdue
Pod C: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern
Pod D: Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois

2 teams from your own pod, 3 from your divisional pod, & 3 from your cross divisional pod. Then the "divisional" champs play the CCG. Every 2 years(for home & homes) the pods rotate to form new "divisions", just like the 4 team pod scenario discussed previously.