Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Buckeye86]

@Tim_Matty247

Sources are indicating that the #B1G has approved #GT as its 15th member. Stay tuned... @CFravel247 @Clemson247

Followed up by this:

Clarification - Not saying #GT report is done deal. Reported out of Midwest. Worth monitoring as we know the landscape is fluid & changing.

The guy is more than a message board hero but possibly not for much longer given how much backtracking he is doing from the initial report.

If I'm not mistaken, the Big Ten waits until the school votes to enter the conference before voting to approve so it doesn't make much sense in the first place.

If it is smoke and mirrors it could be a move to further destabilize the ACC and make the big fish (UNC and UVA) more obtainable, however.

I haven't seen specific details, but going to 20 teams with basically two completely independent divisions meeting in a conference championship game doesn't seem like a bad idea to me If GaTech, UVA and UNC are all on the table.

 

[exhawg]

@Tim_Matty247

Followed up by this:

The guy is more than a message board hero but possibly not for much longer given how much backtracking he is doing from the initial report.

If I'm not mistaken, the Big Ten waits until the school votes to enter the conference before voting to approve so it doesn't make much sense in the first place.

If it is smoke and mirrors it could be a move to further destabilize the ACC and make the big fish (UNC and UVA) more obtainable, however.

I haven't seen specific details, but going to 20 teams with basically two completely independent divisions meeting in a conference championship game doesn't seem like a bad idea to me If GaTech, UVA and UNC are all on the table.

I don't see the point of 2 independent divisions. Just go back to the old Big 10 plays the winner of everyone else for the championship? Have 4 5 team divisions and play 9 conference games a year. That way two divisions play each other and you get a conference championship between teams that haven't played. Only problem would be rivalry games since it would be almost impossible to keep all rivals in the same divisions. On second thought with 5 teams per division it might work, but that would put OSU in a division with scUM, MSU, and two others.

 

[Buckeye86]

I don't see the point of 2 independent divisions. Just go back to the old Big 10 plays the winner of everyone else for the championship? Have 4 5 team divisions and play 9 conference games a year. That way two divisions play each other and you get a conference championship between teams that haven't played. Only problem would be rivalry games since it would be almost impossible to keep all rivals in the same divisions. On second thought with 5 teams per division it might work, but that would put OSU in a division with scUM, MSU, and two others.

Yeah, I haven't put any significant thought into it other than I think it makes sense at this point to go beyond 16 if good additions are beating down the doors to get in.

If you're going to go 14 with Maryland and Rutgers the argument to keep things traditional are basically out the door anyway so you might as well go all out.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Forgive me if this is in here somewhere, but what of the oft' discussed contiguous-state rule for adding teams to the B1G?

 

[MaxBuck]

Forgive me if this is in here somewhere, but what of the oft' discussed contiguous-state rule for adding teams to the B1G?

Where did you get the idea that such a "rule" exists? I'm unaware of it.

 

[Buckeye86]

Forgive me if this is in here somewhere, but what of the oft' discussed contiguous-state rule for adding teams to the B1G?

I believe the quote from Delany was something along the lines of "it's a guideline not a rule".

Maryland + UVA + UNC + GaTech are contingent borders anyway.

 

[Wells4Heisman]

If Georgia Tech joins at least I'll be able to watch the Buckeyes in Atlanta from time to time. That's the only benefit of them joining besides academics. :(

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Where did you get the idea that such a "rule" exists? I'm unaware of it.

I believe the quote from Delany was something along the lines of "it's a guideline not a rule".

Yeah, I'm sure I just got it somewhere in this thread or maybe on a Scout thread once upon a time, but thanks 86. I've been mentally connecting states down the coast, and of course got a 'does not compute' with GT, considering it would take a UVa and a UNC to get there... looks like it doesn't matter though...

 

[PlanetFrnd]

I believe the quote from Delany was something along the lines of "it's a guideline not a rule".

Maryland + UVA + UNC + GaTech are contingent borders anyway.

Oh sure, sneak in a post edit after I've already quoted you... anyways, looks like we're doing the same math here... the three of those schools together would be quite the coup...

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

OK, so out of the various scenarios floating around the interweb tubes, this is my order of preference:

1. UVA and UNC
2. UVA and BC (Boston>Atlanta any day and BC brings hockey)
3. UVA and GT
4. GT and BC
5. UVA and Kansas
6. BC and Kansas
7. GT and Kansas

Perfect world scenario is UVA/UNC to the Big Ten. VaTech/NCState to the SEC and Clemson/FSU to the Big 12. [censored] the ACC. You don't do business with domers.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

This.

1. UVA and UNC

And this.

Perfect world scenario is UVA/UNC to the Big Ten. VaTech/NCState to the SEC and Clemson/FSU to the Big 12. [censored] the ACC. You don't do business with domers.

Agree, agree, agree. Would love to be a fly on the wall when Delaney and Slive have conversations...

 

[OSU_D/]

Boston>Atlanta any day and BC brings hockey

LOL
Atlanta > Boston

1. UVA and UNC
2. UNC and GT
3. UVA and GT
4. UVA and BC
5. UNC and BC
6. GT and BC

Kansas, ISU, KSU, etc....

 

[Muck]

Forgive me if this is in here somewhere, but what of the oft' discussed contiguous-state rule for adding teams to the B1G?

Georgia is contiguous with North Carolina which is contiguous with Virginia which is contiguous with Maryland. :)

Edit: Once again proving I should read the entire thread before posting...

I believe the quote from Delany was something along the lines of "it's a guideline not a rule".

Maryland + UVA + UNC + GaTech are contingent borders anyway.

 

[exhawg]

Georgia is contiguous with North Carolina which is contiguous with Virginia which is contiguous with Maryland. :)

Edit: Once again proving I should read the entire thread before posting...

Are we playing Risk?

 

[Muck]

OK, so out of the various scenarios floating around the interweb tubes, this is my order of preference:

1. UVA and UNC
2. UVA and BC (Boston>Atlanta any day and BC brings hockey)
3. UVA and GT
4. GT and BC
5. UVA and Kansas
6. BC and Kansas
7. GT and Kansas

Perfect world scenario is UVA/UNC to the Big Ten. VaTech/NCState to the SEC and Clemson/FSU to the Big 12. [censored] the ACC. You don't do business with domers.

There are no more NE schools worth taking. No Syracuse, no UConn and no goddamn BC.

One negative side effect of leaving VPI & NCSU to the SEC is that you've created a battleground state and given the enemy the schools that produce the most future alums.

Are we playing Risk?

Yes.