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HabaneroBuck
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Actually, I can think of at least four wide receivers who had good careers in the NFL from the 7-8 years prior to the last 7-8....Cris Carter, Mike Lanese, Jeff Graham, and Joey Galloway.buckalum01 said:
As far as Holmes' 4.3 speed, check out his touchdown highlight in the Marshall game where Zwick hits him in stride for the TD. Just count the time between the snap of the ball and the moment he catches it 40 yards down the field. No way in the world it is longer than 4.5 seconds, and that's on the field, in pads, running a route.
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BGriffBuckeye
Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.
How long ago was Chris Sanders?... he had a long pro career as well.
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HabaneroBuck
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He came out the same time as Terry Glenn, which was after the 1995 season, so I guess you could add those two to the "over 8 years" group.....my, how time does fly.BGriffBuckeye said:
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HabaneroBuck said:
Actually, after I read your post, I did just that. I timed the play five times with a stopwatch, from snap to catch, and throwing out the high and low times I got an average of 4.82. Holmes was lined up to where his head was at our 18 (we had the ball on our 20) at the snap, and he caught the pass right as he crossed the Marshall 45, so that was 37 yards in a straight line distance. However, his route wasn't a perfect line as he had to slightly veer around Marshall's left OLB who was going to rush (and was picked up nicely by our TE), so he probably ran at least 40 yards. Plus the fact he was in the typical standing start position at the snap, and not in a sprinter's crouch. Lastly, he was two yards ahead of his defender when he caught the ball at the Marshall 45 and was four yards ahead of him when he crossed the 10 and the defender gave up.
His running that route in 4.82 from a standing start in full football gear on grass would lead me to believe the 4.3-ish time on a track on no gear and from a sprinter's start.
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Hard to believe that Santonio and Teddy made that list, when the only thing that receivers do at Ohio State is block.... 
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wdg01
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Just looked at the clip too. Snap occured at .11, Holmes first movement was at .14, and first forward motion was at .18. He reached the 45 yard point at 5.07 for a 37 yard time of between 4.89 and 4.96. Also like you said, his route took him for just outside the hash to maybe 5 yards away from it back to the hash mark when he caught the ball. Probably not enough to give him 40 yards, but it does involve a change in direction. With all the things you mentioned, plus he started looking back for the ball at what appears to be just past the 50 yard line.MililaniBuckeye said:
Just to see, I compared Holmes' last 40 yards on his 80 yard catch to Ginn's last 40 on his 82 yard punt return...exact same time, 3.95 seconds.
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HabaneroBuck
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I don't know what numbers you are speaking about wdg, but the clip I saw had the game clock at 10:01 on the snap. Holmes is at the 18 yard line. I watched the clip over and over again, and I absolutely believe that he was at the 39 yard-line of Marshall at the point that the clock turns 9:56. Thus, taking the conservative assumption that the 10:01 is exactly at 10:01, he covered 43 yards in 5 seconds flat. This translates to a loose ratio of a 4.65 forty. Probably more like 4.7 since he was at top speed for those extra three yards. The clock hits 9:52 after he is in the end zone, so I agree that his last forty yards are a smidgeon under 4 seconds.wdg01 said:
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wdg01
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The numbers i was referring to in the previous post were how many seconds into the clip the events occured. The problem with using the game clock is that the clock operator can have a delay in starting the clock at the snap. As i said in my last post, the snap occured at .11 seconds into the clip. The game clock switched from 10:01 to 10:00 at 1.23 seconds into the clip, 1.12 seconds after the snap actually occured which shows that there was at least a slight delay. Also I dont know why assuming its exactly 10:01 is a conservative assumption. If you wanted to be conservative, you would have assumed it was 10:01 and 99/100ths of a second, which would be closer to what actually played out (1.12 seconds between snap and game clock change). Also, he was at the 40 when the clock switched to 9:56 not the 39. We aren't very far off on our numbers, but when dealing with potential 40 times, small differences can be the difference between a 4.65 and a 4.95 (which is right around where i believe he ran it in).HabaneroBuck said:
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