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Bustnuts no longer linked?

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by MililaniBuckeye, Jun 28, 2004.

  1. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but I just noticed this morning that Bustnuts is no longer linked under "» Other tOSU Sites" on the front page. Out of curiosity, did they complain, or are we just totally disassociating ourselves with them (not that we were ever "associated" with them anyways...)?
  2. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Bookie

    No BSB either. Good riddance!
  3. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    I just did that today. I have some more links to add to that I think (not all OSU related, some seasonal like, etc.), so I wanted to trim down and only link to sites that put community first. Growing up, my brothers and I weren't allowed to have cereal that had sugar as one of the first three ingredients. These days I sort of feel that way about commercialism within fan communities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to make a buck, and in some arenas there's nothing wrong with that being your primary interest. I feel differently about fan communities that follow public institutions and their athletic departments though. I still think there's room for commercialism there, but think it should be subordinate to being a positive for the community the entity at question serves. So it's partially an ordering of ingredients deal, lol, if that makes any sense.

    BNuts has hired a Director of Sales and Marketing and has opened a second office, a link from the front page of this little site isn't going to have any impact on them either way, and we still link to them 100s of times (more positive than negative, lol, even though some won't believe that) within the forums. In fact, 3yards now includes links to their articles as part of our news aggregation, so the side link was redundant. So this is by no means an effort to deny they exist, even though KL took no small number of steps to deny we do.

    The sites we link to on the front page (IMO) should be places that afford people of all means access to the content they're (we're) so hungry for.
  4. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Bookie

    Good call, C-dog. Any chance we may have a compilation of active, like-minded opponent message boards?
  5. 3yardsandacloud

    3yardsandacloud Administrator Emeritus

    Since it came up ... is there any problem with linking to their (or anyone else's) news articles? I know in some circles there is no love lost between the two sites, so I don't want to offend anyone. Just trying to post the most comprehensive list of OSU news possible on a daily basis.

    I don't link to any premium information, and the only pay site that gets a link is the Columbus Dispatch. Their news can be accessed through a number of other sources (ONN, WBNS, 1460) that regurgitate much of the same info, if only a day or two later. I just found a "backdoor" to their info at 1460 by playing with the url address. The formatting sucks, but it's the same info.
  6. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    That's actually something I've been working on. I'm trying to compile a list of NFL and NCAA independent fan sites, with an emphasis on any running the same core software (for future possibilities I'm not equipped to really think about yet).

    A perfect example of this is a site like - they're running vB at the core, we have a couple crossover users, their independent and money isn't their primary motivater (that's commentary on them, not a backhanded slap at others, even if it sounds like it), they're very well put together and run -- that's exactly the type of site I'd like to link to, and would be more than happy to recommend to my peers here.
  7. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Bookie

    I could see where there might be some people over there getting uptight about your linking. When push comes to shove though, I think they care more about the hits, no matter how they're generated, and the $$$ that brings them. Besides, it's not like you're copying and pasting on a wholesale basis, and you're citing the source.
  8. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    Let's absolutely link to their free articles. I'm all for it. Different people have different takes on BNuts, none are right or wrong necessarily, just different perspectives fueled by different experiences. I was once one of their most vocal and active proponents. I didn't at the time see as much of the picture as I do now, but that didn't make me wrong then, and it doesn't make me right now. Maybe somehow there's even more to the picture that would change my perspective again -- I doubt it, but who knows. The point here is that the community doesn't hinge on the beliefs, perspectives or values of a subset within. In some ways, that's what got BNuts in trouble to begin with from my viewpoint. So yeah, please link away in the news. And it's not like things talked about over there aren't going to be talked about over here. So when we're quoting them on the board, or referencing something they've said, it's common courtesy to provide a link or direct reference as well.

    It would be petty to scrub away all references to them (or to try to), and I'd like to think that as a community, we're above that. My change is a minor one, and necessary to support upcoming additions. There are a lot of people here who are entirely pro-BNuts, they're no less citizens of this community just because they feel differently than some of us 3rd Wive's Clubbers. :lol:
  9. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    i say there should be no reference to bnuts on this forum......

    the only time that sites paid contributors (steveh,buckstealingnuts, etc) are even in the remote area of being correct is when they simply put out an article that rephrased what some now-banned posters had already said....

    when they go on their own with an idea...they end up looking like jackasses.....

    i said it more than two years ago to kirk and recently to steveh....we (the now BP) were writing their shit for them....

    look at what that place has become now that the quality posters are gone.....
  10. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    Well, they do have access to press conferences, post game comment sessions, recruits, camps and the like, and can still convey solid information like that, they just choose to limit 90% of it to subscribers. Which is fine, what some people get confused about with me is that I *never* made a big issue about that while I was a user there. In fact, I openly defended them on it a few times, and that's something Lee would acknowledge. So while I make an issue of commercialism now, it wasn't what I was outspoken about before my banning.

    Anyway, the point is that BP too (much to the chagrin of some who apparently took steps to try and prevent this) will soon be at press conferences, post game comment sessions, talking directly to recruits, visiting camps and the like. And we're going to take this access that the university makes available to the 'media' for the sake of disseminating information down to the hungry fans, and we're actually going to put it out there for the fans. All of them.

    No rational part of my mind bears BNuts any ill-will. At the same time, no way do I put them on the same level within the community as a site like the O-Zone. My personal history with John P. aside (which is a relic of the past at this point anyway), he's been *serving* the community for years while enduring hardships of his own. I respect the hell out of that, and aspire to compliment what he does, what Vanilla-Gorilla does, and make the entire online OSU community better by simply giving them their own platform. Look at everything on this site right now, lol, it's amazing. And it's not coming from me, I'm just working on the vehicle. It's coming from the community itself. We've got great posts, a rapidly developing blog/article system, a level of recruiting interest and coverage I personally feel is unprecedented for the off-season, unparalleled news aggregation, different ways to look at things (like scholarships, rosters, schedules, etc.) than we've had before, etc.

    I mean, we're sort of like the Open Source software approach. Sure, we don't have the millions behind us that the commercial site does, but we have the people and the passion. As a fan, I'll take the 2 P's before the $'s every day of the week.

    I actually look forward to not comparing BP and BN at all. I'd rather draw a line to OZ* and VG (and similar sites), which is what the change to the linkage is partially about. BN and BSB are easy to parallel as they're different executions of the same plan. But BP and BN? It's apples and oranges, and it's a positive that there are different flavors for different tastes.

    * - not suggesting we're on this level, just share some of the same conceptual values.
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2004
  11. Brutus1

    Brutus1 Don't be penurious, donate to the BP Spring Dr.

    That's great and all, but what the heck can you do to make the season get here faster ????? I need a Buckeye fix !!!

    Again, Clarity, you can never be given enough props for what you offer us here on this site. No bullshit, no popups, no premium info.

    I'm just a fan here so I can say screw BN's and their commercially driven site.

    Come football season, BP is going to blast off. I'm amazed at the leaps it has made in such a short period of time, but it will be unbelievable come the fall.
    You can have all the bells and whistles you want, but for me, it's all about the forums and it's participants. BP is like an all star or who's who of BN's best posters.

    I was away this past weekend , near Toledo (scUM loving bastards everywhere), and the first thing i've got to do upon arriving home is pop into BP to see what's new.

    Funny story at the Toledo Zoo. We were waiting in line to take my sons pic with the stuffed (no shit) polar bear, and the 6 year old girl in front of him had her pic taken wearing a scUM hat. I told her she better get another hat,and pointed to my son's Buckeye hat and said " like that one". Her mother actually gave me a nasty look, just for trying to make her daughters life a little better.

    Great job, Clarity.

    :oh: :io:
  12. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Amen. I know I won't have the time to do it right with my own season's commitments, but I would love to contribute to a weekly breakdown of the week's opponents. Offensive/Defensive philosophy, key players, injury reports, etc. If we could get a team together, I would love to contribute to the technical breakdown as much as I can. Anyone interested?

    Edit: Typing skills still compromised by pain meds
  13. Buckeyejeff

    Buckeyejeff Newbie

    Just came into your community today and I have to say wow!!!!!! I have seen most of the same information I am paying top dollar for over at BN and BSB for free. I live for this stuff, I breath it. I am quickly seeing the importance of this site, and am finding myself to be drawn to this site. Keep up the good work.
  14. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Bookie

    Welcome, you'll like it here.
  15. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

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