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Coaches leaving after signing day discussion

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Jeff Svoboda @JeffSvoboda
I sometimes forget Ohio State is the 800-pound gorilla of college sports. Nobody gets people talking like the Buckeyes.


all the stories have been about us... nothing about the dude at UCLA, the guy at Florida, the guy at Texas, some of the legal shenanigans scum pulled recently with the "player director" and the "recruiting director"...
 
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matcar said:
If this is the situation and you truly aren't planning in being around, I think it's fair to question whether you should be involved in recruiting at that point. At my company we certainly do not involve "short-timers" in our recruiting discussions.
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so then Herman, Vrabel, Drayton, Warinner, Ash and soon Smith are unworthy coaches.

Real life jobs do not relate to college football. Most people don't have to get a new job and town every 1-3 years. The whole staff doesn't get fired after 1-3 rough years.
 
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matcar said:
I think there's a pretty big difference between looking to move up and leaving the next day.
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Thats true but they could happen simultaneously. You may be looking to move up and get offered an opportunity that you need to make an immediate decision on. Who knows how long Drayton knew he was going to be leaving or when he got offered the job. All I know is that Weber should have signed with the Buckeyes for the school and his teammates and the decision shouldnt have been made based solely on who his position coach is. Thats incredibly short sighted, especially since position coaches are normally the first ones to get fired or move on to greener pastures.
 
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matcar said:
I think there's a pretty big difference between looking to move up and leaving the next day.
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No way of knowing. Problem with moving up or moving down or changing jobs is there is never a perfect time to leave. Never!!!! I am a coach myself and your always going to piss people off no matter what you do when it comes to moving on. The NFL season ends later than college football. There is a tight window for coaches to make a decision on what they are going to do. Then you throw in the fact if you do move you will have to uproot your family to another part of the country. This whole situation is very minor in big scheme of things. Problem is we got a bush league coach (Cass Tech Coach) who thinks going on twitter and calling out a coach over something like this is showing "I got my boys back". Had Meyer pulled his scholarship last second after being committed for 8 months...I would understand but this is no where near it. This turd spent three weeks trying his best to get his stud back to look at Michigan and it really got under his skin. This was not a clean signing and there was a crack left open and he took it.
 
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jwinslow said:
so then Herman, Vrabel, Drayton, Warinner, Ash and soon Smith are unworthy coaches.

Real life jobs do not relate to college football. Most people don't have to get a new job and town every 1-3 years. The whole staff doesn't get fired after 1-3 rough years.
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I'm assuming when TH knew he was going to Houston he ceased recruiting for us. No one is expecting a coach to be there the entire time a kid is at school, but that is different than the very next day. If you don't see it that way, that's ok. We differ in that opinion. Either way, it's done now and since it's not me or my kid I'm moving on, but if the kid has a harder time moving on and if this leaves a temporary cloud over the staff, I can understand it.
 
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strohs said:
I don't think anyone on tOSU staff is worried about getting fired right now, and also in most corporate jobs 1-3 rough years will most likely get you canned...
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They fired Withers, brought in an improvement for Vrabel and demoted Coombs. This year Beck (and frankly anyone) will lack job security if they do not perform.

Let me know which companies are firing virtually everyone during those 1-3 years of rough returns, and keep in mind how frequently that happens in college football.
 
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jwinslow said:
They fired Withers, brought in an improvement for Vrabel and demoted Coombs. This year Beck (and frankly anyone) will lack job security if they do not perform.

Let me know which companies are firing virtually everyone during those 1-3 years of rough returns, and keep in mind how frequently that happens in college football.
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Obviously happens a lot more in CFB than corporate world, but that doesn't excuse the coaching staff from doing the right thing...
 
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matcar said:
I'm assuming when TH knew he was going to Houston he ceased recruiting for us. No one is expecting a coach to be there the entire time a kid is at school, but that is different than the very next day. If you don't see it that way, that's ok. We differ in that opinion. Either way, it's done now and since it's not me or my kid I'm moving on, but if the kid has a harder time moving on and if this leaves a temporary cloud over the staff, I can understand it.
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That's not what you said, to review:
Elephant said:
So lets say you have a three year stretch of interviewing for other colleges or NFL. You tell every recruit you come in contact with that you do not plan on being at the school much longer or you have interest in upgrading....what are the odds that you are in the business of coaching for an extended period of time?
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matcar said:
If this is the situation and you truly aren't planning in being around, I think it's fair to question whether you should be involved in recruiting at that point. At my company we certainly do not involve "short-timers" in our recruiting discussions.
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Virtually all of the coaches are looking to leave and soon.

If the goal is to be a stand-up guy and upfront with recruits, then all of those coaches should drive home that they wanted to leave for better jobs in 1-2 years when they were hired. It would be honest, classy and wouldn't make anyone feel badly when they left later. It also would be pretty unsuccessful.

The reality is that is a very stupid way of doing business and you won't be signing any of those recruits when the other coaches talk up what they are building at School X, because the other coaches are not being upfront about their plans to bolt at the first great opportunity. Like Wilcher would do in a heartbeat if someone offered him a good college gig.
 
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jwinslow said:
Real life jobs do not relate to college football. Most people don't have to get a new job and town every 1-3 years. The whole staff doesn't get fired after 1-3 rough years.
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Actually, pretty much the whole staff does get fired after three rough years these days in the "real world." One reason I work for myself now ...

But your point is nonetheless well taken.
 
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