Decanonized Mythologized Disgraced Ped State Monster Coach Joe Paterno (Zombie Icon)

[Taosman]

Morally Bankrupt Former Penn State Coach Joe Paterno

 

[jlb1705]

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=219

How can any investigation possibly be considered remotely complete or come to any legitimate conclusions without even speaking to any of the most important witnesses?

Uh, e-mails, documents, hand-written notes by one of the "most important witnesses"...you know, shit that can't distort or flat out lie.

 

[NFBuck]

 

[buxfan4life]

FACTS don't mean TRUTH!!!!!!!




Gut that place from the top and require that all administration and faculty for the next 10 yrs have absolutely no previous ties to Ped State.

 

[MONTbigBuck]

http://http://www.washingtonpost.co...skys-victims/2012/07/12/gJQAMUX9fW_story.html


Sally jenkins is none too happy with Jeopa.

 

[buckeyesin07]

1. They admitted priorities were and still are way out of line and suspended the football program for, say, 3 years.
2. They would accept a probationary period of no less than 10 years where any little screw up could result in immediate expulsion.
3. They recognize that academic inbreeding that they have taken to new levels there is frown upon by most institutions in this country (for good reason) and implement ways to change.
4. They restructure their BOT so that kooks can't be elected to it.
5. They remove that damn statue.

I never thought that an institution of higher education could see a scandal as bad as this!

Well said. The biggest reason, IMO, that they need to be kicked out of the Big Ten is that, as a university, they've shown zero ability to police themselves. Someone has to be the voice of reason and do the right thing, and those idiots running around in central PA have shown repeatedly that it sure as [censored] isn't going to be them.

 

[ScriptOhio]

The guy may have a valid point here....

Sexism played role in Penn St. horror

They want us to believe Joe Paterno and his title-heavy minions ? university president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz ? didn?t fully grasp the depravity of Jerry Sandusky?s perversion.
They, Paterno?s remaining apologists, want us to believe JoePa?s and Penn State?s sin had more to do with naivete than vanity.
?The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept,? the Paterno family said in a statement.
?The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn?t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone ? law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials and everyone at Second Mile.?
They?re delusional and think we?re stupid.
The Four Horsemen of Penn State?s Apocalypse ? Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz, the men rightfully vilified in Louis Freeh?s Last Judgment ? concealed Sandusky?s vile behavior because they understood, and, yes, sympathized with his inability to control his sexual demons.
The Penn State tragedy is a disaster rooted in sexism and man?s lack of sexual control.
We think with the wrong head.
I do not say that to be crass or rude or flippant. It?s a reality that should not be ignored when assessing how four men in leadership positions could decide to treat a male child molester ?humanely? while ignoring the welfare of defenseless young boys.
If you dig past Paterno?s ego and Penn State?s desire to keep the football cash rolling, sympathy for Sandusky?s inability to control his depraved lust contributed to The Four Horsemen?s decision-making. Only a group of men could find Sandusky?s mental illness more sympathetic than the victims? suffering.
Think about it. Secretly, most men sympathize with Tiger Woods. But for the grace of God there go we. Take away the partisan politics, and men had no problem with President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.
We understand. That does not mean we condone the behavior. It doesn?t mean we would act the same way if we were given access to our sexual fantasies. It just means we understand and are thankful we don?t have to deal with the temptation.
And as it relates to Jerry Sandusky, it certainly does not mean that most men would act in the same cowardly and immoral way as Penn State?s Four Horsemen.
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Entire article: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...te-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-cover-up-071212

 

[PlanetFrnd]

B10 Network should moderate comments...

http://btn.com/2012/07/12/national-response-to-the-freeh-report-findings/

paul hackett on 7/12/2012 @ 7:34pm EDT Said:
Freeh should be shot, was well as Penn State?s Board of Trustees. A subordinate (Paterno) can go to his immediate supervisor with a problem, but American business does not permit a subordinate to go any higher or face dismissal. Joe did that. It?s just a shame that the Board of Directors are still around (but isn?t that just like American management; they do no wrong, just hang the subordinate. Penn State will never realize what they had for a football coach. It?s amazing that none of his players have talked down about Mr Paterno. The State (unfortunately more management) doesn?t dismiss Freeh?s report and dismiss the current Board of Trustees.

aroznowski on 7/12/2012 @ 6:44pm EDT Said:
?Joe Paterno wasn?t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions? (http://espn.go.com/college-football...aterno-issues-statement-response-freeh-report). As a proud Big Ten fan, I buy that and what Jay Paterno had to say in his interview with Tom Rinaldi (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8161329). Joe Paterno was human and made mistakes but was still a great man. He is the greatest head coach and one of the greatest people in the history of college football. That should never be forgotten. I am sick and tired of this story. At this point, Jerry Sandusky?s sentencing (Hopefully he is sentenced to over four hundred years in prison.), the trials of Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, the restoration of Joe Paterno?s name to the Big Ten championship trophy, and the protection of Joe Paterno?s statue outside of Beaver Stadium should be the main priorities now.

 

[OH10]

In the interest of being fair and balanced.

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=219

(Now I have to go and take the word "disgraced" out again.)

I don't want to have to go through that entire column line by line and destroy it for what it is. But his implied criticism of the Freeh investigation on the grounds that he didn't speak directly to Curley or other Penn St. administrators (who are, I might add, currently under indictment) is misplaced. Freeh couldn't interview them on the record as most assuredly any statement they made would be used against them in their case.

He engages in glorified logical gymnastics to try and get around the idea that Paterno knew in 1998. It's like the guy needs a time machine to actually go back in time and see, for himself, conversations Joe Paterno had with Curley before he'll actually believe he knew about the '98 investigation.

I'm not sure what that was supposed to be. On one hand, it read like one of the subhuman apologists on the BWI site. On another, it reads like someone who just wants to take a shot at the media for the sake of taking a shot at a the media - which is, of course, absurd in the context of what we are dealing with.

 

[AJHawkfan]

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/07/12407/friday-skull-session?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ElevenWarriors+%28Eleven+Warriors%29

From the report:
"The evidence shows that Mr. Paterno was made aware of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky, followed it closely, but failed to take any action, even though Sandusky had been a key member of his coaching staff for almost 30 years, and had an office just steps away from Mr. Paterno's."

Even further down the rabbit hole, the report claims campus police chief Thomas Harmon emailed Shultz in June of 1998 to say Sandusky's account of what happened was basically the same as the victim's. Sandusky TOLD POLICE "he had done this with other children in the past."

All four men (Paterno, Shultz, Curley, and Spanier) knew about this information and didn't do anything. Instead, Shultz told Spanier and Curley the police investigation was closed. Cover-up is the only phrase you can use here.

If this is true, it ultimately means Paterno lied before a grand jury during his testimony in January of 2011. When asked by the court: "Other than the [2001] incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?"

Paterno answered: "I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no. I do not know of it."

This is without a doubt the hardest part of the report for Paterno loyalists to come to terms with. As early as 1998 Paterno knew Sandusky was a child rapist yet chose to do nothing. As early as 2001 Paterno knew Sandusky was a SERIAL child rapist yet chose to do nothing.

But that's not all, the report goes on to claim that far from inaction, Paterno was insisting individuals not report Sandusky in 2001. According to the report, after McQueary's now infamous eyewitness shower account, Curley met with the executive director of Sandusky's Second Mile Charity and shared what they knew with him. Ultimately, the Second Mile concluded it was a "non-incident" and decided not to report Sandusky at the behest of Paterno who was lobbying against making the matter public.

Across the nation, fans and writers alike are having trouble reconciling the Joe Pa they thought they knew, with who he may actually have been.

Sally Jenkins, the Washington Post columnist who is believed to be the last reporter to interview Paterno before his death said it best:
"The only explanation I can find for this "striking lack of empathy" is self-absorption. In asking how a paragon of virtue could have behaved like such a thoroughly bad guy, the only available answer is that Paterno fell prey to the single most corrosive sin in sports: the belief that winning on the field makes you better and more important than other people."

Powerful stuff.

 

[cincibuck]

I enjoyed the comment that Joe was a subordinate to Graham Spanier and therefore reported these events to him for a final decision- Reminds me of the way Khamenei reports to President Ahmadinejad.

 

[VBSJ]

B10 Network should moderate comments...

The funny thing is, BTN.com does moderate comments (it goes to their web editor, he/she approves)

I imagine certain North Koreans can't say anything bad about Kim Jong Il...and certain Penn State supporters share the same trait in relation to JoePa.

 

[BigWoof31]

Early this morning, I had heard they weren't thinking of tearing down the Penn State Statue, they were simply going to turn around so it looks the other way.

 

[DaBuckMD]

I'm not sure what that was supposed to be. On one hand, it read like one of the subhuman apologists on the BWI site. On another, it reads like someone who just wants to take a shot at the media for the sake of taking a shot at a the media - which is, of course, absurd in the context of what we are dealing with.

I get his angle --- basically they interviewed people (and didn't others) and read through documents and emails and converted that to a story. Can you recall your exact conversations (I mean word for word) with people from a week ago let alone years ago. Also, have you ever misinterpreted the tone or intent of email or post on a website? I also agree with him that today's media is incredibly lazy and more about the speed of putting out saucy articles than a reporter spending time to educate themselves (read beyond the summary page of the report) on a topic and putting out something factual and intelligent. Be careful on taking any reporters story (sports or not sports) as fact. Like I said, I get his angle but disagree with his opinion on the value of the report and agree with you on what did he expect.

I think the undeniable underlying cause of this entire case is that there were not proper checks & balances at Penn State. That needs to be driven down through the organization by the Board of Trustees and the President of the university. I would be surprised if the university did not have policies in place about sexual misconduct or suspected child abuse. It's a public institution with minors on the campus all the time. That type of a policy is long common at most public institutions, including 3 where I have worked. Most even have an anonymous reporting lines that go to individuals who directly report to the in-house counsel, President, and/or Chair of the Board. That is how you cut around the power play.

Instead the culture was allowed to develop where those leaders, most importantly Paterno, felt they had the right to own and control this situation on their own terms. Absolute power corrupts absolutely -- even those that think they are the most morally grounded. Only they know if they intentionally walked down the path to protect the franchise, but they undeniably had a serious loss of perception on reality and the ethical approach.