DL Chris Carter, Jr. (Official Thread)

[ScriptOhio]

Maybe it isn't his call.

Not a fan of pulling ships - but no reason you should get 5 years if you are not contributing.

With the big thing now being the guaranteed 4 year scholarship, it's exactly that. They are fully committed to you for 4 years if you do the right things. A 5th year should only come if you're a contributing player. And really there should be no disappointment from the student athlete or a fan feeling it's unfair. Assuming they took care of business, they are a college graduate, alumni of tOSU, and alumni of tOSU football team. Pretty good deal if you ask me.

I don't agree, the trend (or big thing now) is to guarantee the scholarship until you graduate. It is very hard to graduate in 4 years these days. especially if you take a "light load" during football season and are pursuing a "meaningful" degree.

See example: The University of Maryland says it will start guaranteeing scholarships to students-athletes until they graduate, regardless of injury or on-field performance.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...and-terrapins-guarantee-athletic-scholarships

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

I don't agree, the trend (or big thing now) is to guarantee the scholarship until you graduate. It is very hard to graduate in 4 years these days. especially if you take a "light load" during football season and are pursuing a "meaningful" degree.

See example: The University of Maryland says it will start guaranteeing scholarships to students-athletes until they graduate, regardless of injury or on-field performance.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...and-terrapins-guarantee-athletic-scholarships

It's really not that difficult to graduate in 4 years tbh. Football players do take light loads during the fall semester, but can take fuller ones in the winter. And don't forget that most football players take courses over the summer since they have to be on campus anyways. In fact they may even have to be registered, but I'm not sure on that. Add to that the nearly limitless resources they have at their fingertips for assistance in the classroom (and I'm not talking NC here, but tutors). Hell, it's remarkable how many times a broadcaster will bring up the fact that a player graduated in 3 years. Now I could never imagine myself doing that, but I was able to graduate in 3 years rather easily. Brought some credits from HS and took summer courses. Even with football obligations it's really not asking much to graduate in 4 years, especially with the resources they are given and summer courses taken to recover for lighter fall courses.

 

[bigdog3300]

It's really not that difficult to graduate in 4 years tbh. Football players do take light loads during the fall semester, but can take fuller ones in the winter. And don't forget that most football players take courses over the summer since they have to be on campus anyways. In fact they may even have to be registered, but I'm not sure on that. Add to that the nearly limitless resources they have at their fingertips for assistance in the classroom (and I'm not talking NC here, but tutors). Hell, it's remarkable how many times a broadcaster will bring up the fact that a player graduated in 3 years. Now I could never imagine myself doing that, but I was able to graduate in 3 years rather easily. Brought some credits from HS and took summer courses. Even with football obligations it's really not asking much to graduate in 4 years, especially with the resources they are given.

True; not sure if OSU is different but typically in order to keep room and board over the summer you have to be enrolled in summer classes. With most kids staying to participate in the off season strength and conditioning programs as well as all the other side work most decide to do this. You'll find a good chunk of kids get their undergrad done in just over 3 years because of this.

 

[Michael Bluth]

It's really not that difficult to graduate in 4 years tbh. Football players do take light loads during the fall semester, but can take fuller ones in the winter. And don't forget that most football players take courses over the summer since they have to be on campus anyways. In fact they may even have to be registered, but I'm not sure on that. Add to that the nearly limitless resources they have at their fingertips for assistance in the classroom (and I'm not talking NC here, but tutors). Hell, it's remarkable how many times a broadcaster will bring up the fact that a player graduated in 3 years. Now I could never imagine myself doing that, but I was able to graduate in 3 years rather easily. Brought some credits from HS and took summer courses. Even with football obligations it's really not asking much to graduate in 4 years, especially with the resources they are given and summer courses taken to recover for lighter fall courses.

Completely depends on your major, IMO.

For some reason at a big school like Ohio State a lot of courses are only offered once a year at a certain time, or have very limited times available. Being an athlete severely limits the times of day/year you can take a class. This can often delay getting a degree for an extra year.

 

[Oh8ch]

I don't agree, the trend (or big thing now) is to guarantee the scholarship until you graduate. It is very hard to graduate in 4 years these days. especially if you take a "light load" during football season and are pursuing a "meaningful" degree.

See example: The University of Maryland says it will start guaranteeing scholarships to students-athletes until they graduate, regardless of injury or on-field performance.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...and-terrapins-guarantee-athletic-scholarships

I wont argue the trend and I am not saying it is what I would do, but there is a mutual contract implied with an LOI. You get the free schooling and in exchange you contribute to our football team.

Nobody is saying he can't take 5, 6 or 10 years to graduate. Only that anything over 4 is on his dime if he is not contributing (he was given both the opportunity to contribute and to graduate in 4).

To be sure, there is a lot of speculation going on here. Maybe it was Carter's call. But however much we might think paying for a 5th year is the right thing to do, if we look hard in the mirror what we want even more is to give that ship to a kid who can take us to the NC. (Which, BTW, is still a ship being used to put a kid through school.)

I would also submit that what Maryland is doing is an effort to make their football program more attractive as much as it is to "do the right thing".

 

[MaxBuck]

I wont argue the trend and I am not saying it is what I would do, but there is a mutual contract implied with an LOI. You get the free schooling and in exchange you contribute to our football team.

Nobody is saying he can't take 5, 6 or 10 years to graduate. Only that anything over 4 is on his dime if he is not contributing (he was given both the opportunity to contribute and to graduate in 4).

There's nothing that I know of that would prevent the athletic department from making a non-athletic scholarship available to Carter, or anyone else. His additional year(s) of schooling need not be on "his dime." He just couldn't be on the football team.

 

[jwinslow]

There's nothing that I know of that would prevent the athletic department from making a non-athletic scholarship available to Carter, or anyone else. His additional year(s) of schooling need not be on "his dime." He just couldn't be on the football team.

There's nothing you know of to prevent schools from retrieving athletic scholarships for new recruits and giving them academic scholarships as a thank you? I'll need to see something more concrete than a feeling.

I don't agree, the trend (or big thing now) is to guarantee the scholarship until you graduate. It is very hard to graduate in 4 years these days. especially if you take a "light load" during football season and are pursuing a "meaningful" degree.

One school is not a trend. The B1G has made a huge deal out of guaranteeing 4 year scholarships, which is a big upgrade over the 1 year variety handed out elsewhere in CFB.

example: The University of Maryland says it will start guaranteeing scholarships to students-athletes until they graduate, regardless of injury or on-field performance.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...and-terrapins-guarantee-athletic-scholarships

Maryland does not have a lot of kids beating down their doors. This is a good way to improve their mediocre brand.

 

[MaxBuck]

There's nothing you know of to prevent schools from retrieving athletic scholarships for new recruits and giving them academic scholarships as a thank you? I'll need to see something more concrete than a feeling.

Once the student is no longer an athlete, I'm not sure how the NCAA has anything to say about what academic funding is provided. I'm not an expert on the subject, obviously. But what North Carolina is doing for former athletes seems to indicate this approach is kosher from an NCAA perspective.

http://www.si.com/college-basketbal...l-scholarships-former-athletes-finish-degrees

 

[LitlBuck]

Once the student is no longer an athlete, I'm not sure how the NCAA has anything to say about what academic funding is provided. I'm not an expert on the subject, obviously. But what North Carolina is doing for former athletes seems to indicate this approach is kosher from an NCAA perspective.

http://www.si.com/college-basketbal...l-scholarships-former-athletes-finish-degrees

Max, I really do not think you want to bring in North Carolina when it comes to athletics and academics but I digress. Back to Carter.

 

[MaxBuck]

Max, I really do not think you want to bring in North Carolina when it comes to athletics and academics but I digress. Back to Carter.

If North Carolina's actions help to show what options tOSU has with former athletes who wish to continue their education, I think bringing in UNC is absolutely appropriate. And I can assure you that, athletics department shenanigans aside, one can get an outstanding education at Chapel Hill.

As to "getting back" to Carter, we never left. Many of us sympathize both with coaches who are looking to field the best possible team, and with players who maybe haven't produced much on the field but still have put lots of hours of toil and sweat in practice and preparation for the Buckeyes. Carter might well fall into that second category, and I hope his educational goals still can be met.

 

[kujirakira]

Completely depends on your major, IMO.

For some reason at a big school like Ohio State a lot of courses are only offered once a year at a certain time, or have very limited times available. Being an athlete severely limits the times of day/year you can take a class. This can often delay getting a degree for an extra year.

It's like this across the country, especially in the Sciences and Engineering. But even a lot of LibArts only offer certain 300/400 courses a specific semester.
Throw the rigidity of prereqs into that equation... and it's pretty much impossible to finish a lot of degrees in shorter time frames even if you bring in a ton of credits from HS or elsewhere.
Of course if it's Sports Comm, Kinesiology, Golf Course Management... I'm sure its structured very fluidly and there are ample major-specific courses available over the Summer when they know the athletes funneled into those "degrees" will need to have something to take.

 

[jwinslow]

Once the student is no longer an athlete, I'm not sure how the NCAA has anything to say about what academic funding is provided. I'm not an expert on the subject, obviously. But what North Carolina is doing for former athletes seems to indicate this approach is kosher from an NCAA perspective.

http://www.si.com/college-basketbal...l-scholarships-former-athletes-finish-degrees

This isn't complicated. You're asking why schools shouldn't be allowed to erase bad scholarship offers by transferring them to academic ones that don't count against their 85 limit.

 

[MaxBuck]

This isn't complicated. You're asking why schools shouldn't be allowed to erase bad scholarship offers by transferring them to academic ones that don't count against their 85 limit.

No, I'm not asking any such thing. I'm saying that precedent suggests that schools are, in fact, permitted to do just that (so long as the student no longer is engaged in athletics). However, if someone can provide evidence that I'm wrong, my mind is open.

 

[jwinslow]

No, I'm not asking any such thing. I'm saying that precedent suggests that schools are, in fact, permitted to do just that. However, if someone can provide evidence that I'm wrong, my mind is open.

Being able to return to school is different than having free reign to transfer benchwarmers to academic scholarships. The B1G has been very public about offering the former. The latter is a scouting mistake eraser.

If you can provide evidence of someone transitioning from an athletic scholarship to an academic one, I'll certainly listen. I'm not interested in doing your legwork.

 

[MaxBuck]

Being able to return to school is different than having free reign to transfer benchwarmers to academic scholarships. The B1G has been very public about offering the former. The latter is a scouting mistake eraser.

If you can provide evidence of someone transitioning from an athletic scholarship to an academic one, I'll certainly listen. I'm not interested in doing your legwork.

I'm not asking you to do any legwork; only that if you have no idea what you're talking about, as in this instance, you refrain from acting as though you do.