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ESPNtheMag Editor is on now....

So, is it fair to say this "news" has no real teeth? I've been so busy at work I've missed nearly all this new saga - tho I did see Mark Friggin May jumping at the opportunity to call OSU in to question and mention the "serious effects" this will have on recruiting (half time of last nights game)
 
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Its great to hear, former players come to the defense of the program, university, athletic department and Coach Tressel....I cant believe a major network like ESPN would go with this story unless they already had a smoking gun.

Why print a he said, she said story of this magnitude? If they had anything concrete that could implicate the coach or program, they would have already came out with it, they are just trying to sell more magazines and get better ratings, its unbelievable.
 
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Dihard...

To me it sounded he was fishing for more publicity, trying to keep those interested 'on the edge of their seats.'

One of my favorite parts of the interview was when Damon Bruce quoted Clarett's statement "I'd go to someone's house and read to little kids like an angel and Mr. So and So would give me money" and asked Hoying how they could have journalistic credability without putting the person's name in the article... Hoying basically said they needed to 'cover themselves' and remain credible... ya that ship passed a LONG time ago...
 
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bkochmc said:
Dihard...

To me it sounded he was fishing for more publicity, trying to keep those interested 'on the edge of their seats.'

One of my favorite parts of the interview was when Damon Bruce quoted Clarett's statement "I'd go to someone's house and read to little kids like an angel and Mr. So and So would give me money" and asked Hoying how they could have journalistic credability without putting the person's name in the article... Hoying basically said they needed to 'cover themselves' and remain credible... ya that ship passed a LONG time ago...
Funny how UM's basketball booster had his name all over the press...wasn't it Ed Martin? Something along those lines. With details, comes proof. If you don't have the one, there is none of the other.
 
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he sure didnt sound like he was being coy about having a smoking gun. their story is under attack from a lot of different folks right now. if anything would really help this thing reach its pinnacle, it would be a smoking gun.

however, if they had one, they should have played that card long ago.
 
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<!-- esi: /widget/story/videoAndPhotoGallery?contentId=3152574-->There are several major aspects to this story which will be scrutinized over the next several weeks and months over the integrity of head coach Jim Tressel and Ohio State University in general, but here are the three main points: 1. Are these allegations actually true? 2. Why is Clarett doing this now? 3. True or not, what's going to happen to Ohio State football because of the allegations? </SPAN>





1. If they're all true it's time to start from scratch.



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Tressel has always been a straight-laced, no-nonsense, button-down man who has won with class and dignity. Of course, that all goes out the window if everyone didn't play by the rules (as silly as they may be) and Ohio State will have no choice but to sack the coaching staff and revamp the entire program. Worse yet would be if the academic fraud charges are true. This is The <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = FSTL /><FSTL:CATEGORYLINK categoryId="86061">Ohio State</FSTL:CATEGORYLINK> University and it isn't right for an academic institution of this size and stature to be perceived as being a football program that just so happens to have a university around it. However, it has to be stressed again and in big, bold letters, that's IF the charges are true.

It doesn't matter if it's a case of sour grapes or not on Clarett's part and it doesn't matter if Clarett is simply a whining, self-serving jilted superstar who wants revenge. If those things happened, they happened. So yes, if Clarett is on the up-and-up, it's going to be ugly and it's going to be a new era in Columbus. Coaching regimes don't, and shouldn't, survive scandals. They're just football coaches. That's all. However ...

2. In a land where you're innocent until proven guilty, there's something that stinks about this and it's all thanks to Clarett.

If Craig Krenzel or Mike Doss were making these accusations it would a different ball game. The fact of the matter is that Clarett fell into the trap of the sports culture hype machine. He hung out with friends like LeBron James who was signing multi-million dollar deals right out of high school. He had people telling him how unfair the NFL draft system is and he should challenge it right away and get what LeBron was getting. He had people like Jim Brown and other high profile figures supporting his cause, to a point, and then abandoning ship once reality set in. That reality? He's not that great a pro prospect and he's not going to be a star NFL player unless something changes in a real hurry. He was a magnificent college player for one year, but he failed to listen to an honest opinion from anyone who really mattered and now he sounds like a desperate young man clutching for anything he can grab on to. Considering his extreme circumstances, he needed to be a workout warrior and wow the socks off the scouts when he had the chance following his freshman year. There was still a buzz about him, there was no question about his heart (on the field), and many thought he might have had a chance to potentially grow into a good player. But he got fat, lazy, and injured to the point of being unable to work out at his peak physical condition. When he did run, he was slowwwwww hovering around the 4.65 mark on his best attempts.

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Clarett now appears scared in a big way now seeing what all the NFL scouts see: he's not that fast, he couldn't stay healthy during his one freshman season, he's a head case, and he's a major league pain in the butt burning his bridges at Ohio State with all of his problems. Everyone saw that but Clarett and now he blames Tressel when he should be blaming the people advising him. Clarett's claim from ESPN's article that Tressel "wound up selling (Clarett) out" simply isn't true. There was nothing to sell out.

The sad part is that if Clarett had simply kept quiet and played ball, he would've been ready to go pro after this season and probably would have a Heisman in hand. But things didn't work out the way everyone around him said they would. Does that mean Clarett's charges aren't true? No, but it does mean it's going to take a lot more than just an interview with ESPN to bring down Tressel and the OSU program.


3. So what now for Ohio State?

Say what you will about the NCAA, but they're a thorough organization when it comes to investigations, especially when the biggest of the big-time programs are involved. It's naive to assume that Clarett protected Tressel and the program during all of the drama over the last few years; the NCAA wasn't going to simply take Clarett's word on anything without doing some digging of its own.

Unfortunately though, not only does Ohio State have to defend itself in the eyes of the public, it has to do the near impossible and show the world that the program isn't breaking all of these NCAA rules. How do you prove you're a clean program? How do you show that you didn't give a player any money or any cars? It might not be fair, but Clarett accomplished his goal by raising the question that these things might be going on.
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Going on the assumption that Clarett's allegations are false, Tressel is put in a horrible position. Here was a coach who did everything possible for his star recruit and helped him to become an instant success, and vice versa. But Tressel had to distance himself from the situation once the NCAA investigators had to get involved; he simply had no other choice. What Clarett perceives as Tressel turning his back and not helping out the draft status appears to simply be a case of a coach staying away from a situation he couldn't be a part of since there were actual legal issues involved. Former Nebraska head coach Tom Osborne got directly involved when Lawrence Phillips and Christian Peter got into legal problems and it turned into an ugly mess.

What was Tressel supposed to do, lie to the NFL scouts? Ohio State is a factory for NFL players and if Tressel had pumped up Clarett to the NFL types it would've hurt his credibility when it came time to hype up other players.

The problem is that perception is everything and this could be a major issue in recruiting. Even so, if you're a star football player, you know you can get to the NFL by playing at Ohio State, and in the end that's what really matters to the elite of the elite.

The fact that after all of the investigations and all of the charges and all of the alleged academic impropriety that the NCAA didn't nail the University has to tell you that either Clarett is now lying or that the investigators are totally inept. While both might be true, let's all let this play out before labeling Ohio State as a bunch of cheats and frauds.

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
So, is it fair to say this "news" has no real teeth? I've been so busy at work I've missed nearly all this new saga - tho I did see Mark Friggin May jumping at the opportunity to call OSU in to question and mention the "serious effects" this will have on recruiting (half time of last nights game)

In May's defense (God that hurt to say!). He was also ripping MoC quite a bit before those comments.
 
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tsteele316 said:
he sure didnt sound like he was being coy about having a smoking gun. their story is under attack from a lot of different folks right now. if anything would really help this thing reach its pinnacle, it would be a smoking gun.

however, if they had one, they should have played that card long ago.


I just find it inconceivable that they (or any journalist for that matter) would go to the presses with information they supposedly may have, whether it be this smoking gun info or the name of a booster, and withold it just to have more of a story later.

FYI, for those of you who don't have access to 1460 they have been playing clips from all sorts of Buckeyes, former and current, backing Tressel. Andy Groom, Will Allen, Dustin Fox, and Simon Frasier are the ones that I can recall of the top of my head... does make you proud to be a Buckeye hearing these people definding Tressel and OSU.


More former players calling in...
LeAndre Boom
* Says that his advisor did set up 'fluff' classes for him... it was his fault that he took them though. Once he started thinking for himself and scheduling his own classes he started doing better
* Says he's neutral with the MoC situation
* Says Tressel was the one guy that was good to him... said Dantonio told 'lies' to his family... Tressel kept encouraging him though
* Has never seen anything done wrong with Tressel or the football family
* Has never seen anything done wrong with boosters but just like everyone else he heard rumors
* Currently he is enrolled at OSU and is on the Dean's List
* Regarding the ESPN article, I believe he said he wasn't aware that it was an article about/for Clarett (someone who heard his call may want to verify this)
 
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Clarett's saying he was paid to do the story. ESPN editor says he's lying about that moot point, but was 100% honest during the interview... :slappy: :slappy: :slappy: :slappy:

Take little credibility remaining (was there ever any!?) and throw it out the window.
 
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More former players calling in...
LeAndre Boom
* Says that his advisor did set up 'fluff' classes for him... it was his fault that he took them though. Once he started thinking for himself and scheduling his own classes he started doing better
* Says he's neutral with the MoC situation
* Says Tressel was the one guy that was good to him... said Dantonio told 'lies' to his family... Tressel kept encouraging him though
* Has never seen anything done wrong with Tressel or the football family
* Has never seen anything done wrong with boosters but just like everyone else he heard rumors
* Said he believes there was spy-like people that were on campus to make sure things were done correctly
* Currently he is enrolled at OSU and is on the Dean's List
This is amazing....every person they have talked to is changing their story or saying they were mislead, this kid is on the deans list now....ESPN is fucked.

ESPN editor says he's lying about that moot point,
he is lying now about the money, but not about taking money at OSU? Who the hell are they fooling....they got bent over and took one up the arse on this one, time to retract or get crucified.
 
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A new theory.

MoC realized that all of his troubles started with the 'One and Done' article on ESPN the Ragazine 2 years ago.

So now, after months of careful planning (and 6 a.m. workouts), Clarett's doing all of this just to get ESPN the Ragazine in trouble.

After he gets the Ragazine to implode, he'll retract his statements about JT and tOSU.

Clarett's actually like Guinness - Brilliant!!!!!!!!



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ESPN keeps saying that anyone would have run with the story had Maurice come to them. I fully agree. Where they failed was not understanding what story they had.

They THOUGHT they had a story about corruption at Ohio State. But there is no real evidence to support this story.

What they ACTUALLY had was a story about how a far a player with incredible talent and a limitless future can fall if he makes bad deicions, follows bad advice, and refuses to take accountability for his actions. That would have been a fascinating story and might have made a difference in the lives of athletes on the verge of following simiilar paths. The evidence to support such a story was overwhelming.

Unfortunately for us all they chose the wrong story.
 
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