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Game Thread FIESTA BOWL: tOSU 21, Texas 24 (01-05-09)

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lvbuckeye;1375268; said:
well, just like the Texas game in '05, this is one loss that i'll definitely watch again. what a great game, even if we didn't come out on top.
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agreed. I was able to watch the postgame highlights right afterwards. I couldn't even finish out the 4th quarter against Florida. Unlike the texas '05 game however, the shoulda wouldas are the exception to the rule, imo.

Both sides were taking back control, not being handed it on mistakes or blown opportunities. Texas just had the last shot.
Sportsbuck28;1375274; said:
Al Pacino's inches speech comes to mind on that 4th down...
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or many others, or Russell's forced fumble, etc.
 
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I am proud of how the team played last night. They gave everything they had, went toe to toe with what I think is the best team in the nation. It was a great game and I wish we could have came out on top, but I am just glad the guys played with heart.

Sure if this or that didn't happen the outcome would have been in the bucks favor, but it didn't. Even after Texas scored with seconds left, we still had a shot. It was a great game, played by 2 great schools. Most of the time after a loss, I feel awful. It hurt lastnight, but looking at who we played and how we played, you can't feel to bad. The seniors left their hearts on the field lastnight. Thank you guys for 4 great years!
 
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Woody84;1375282; said:
I am proud of how the team played last night. They gave everything they had, went toe to toe with what I think is the best team in the nation. It was a great game and I wish we could have came out on top, but I am just glad the guys played with heart.

Sure if this or that didn't happen the outcome would have been in the bucks favor, but it didn't. Even after Texas scored with seconds left, we still had a shot. It was a great game, played by 2 great schools. Most of the time after a loss, I feel awful. It hurt lastnight, but looking at who we played and how we played, you can't feel to bad. The seniors left their hearts on the field lastnight. Thank you guys for 4 great years!
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true dat. i just dont understand y we wouldnt use pryor out of the backfield in an end around or reverse pass or something before they used him for our first td
 
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osugrad21;1375266; said:
Don't fans usually complan about sitting in a soft zone? I thought we wanted more man coverage with heat? Now you see what happens when the blitz doesnt get there in hard man. It was a 5man package...
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I didn't mind it at the start of the drive, but when you are down to 20 seconds or so at around the 30 yard line I would like to have at least 1 safety playing safe.

But then again hindsight is 20/20 and I am still blind as a bat. :wink2:
 
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lvbuckeye;1375243; said:
there comes a time that the lack of execution has to ultimately be the responsibility of the coaching staff. i know that the kids have to make the plays out on the field, but if they are consistently lacking in the execution department, then their preparation is insufficient to allow them to execute properly. and why we have 320 pound guys trying to finesse block simply boggles my mind. drive the mothereffer across from you off the line and go blast somebody. from my point of view all that beef is wasted by trying to be way to cute in the trenches...
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In essence this is what Earl Bruce had to say after the Penn State game, that OSU doesn't use the blocking sled, that Bollman prefers technique and a slide block (?) method to smash mouth.

I can talk to you till I'm blue in the face about the high jump:steps to the bar, ear away from the bar, holding your arch, but the only thing I know about coaching linemen is how to deal with shin splints.

As a fan I only know and understand what I see. When I see a school like Ohio State ranked at the bottom of its conference in offense for most of a season despite having an experienced line, good receivers, an all conference QB and a premier running back I have to wonder what the hell is up.
 
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Piney;1375290; said:
I didn't mind it at the start of the drive, but when you are down to 20 seconds or so at around the 30 yard line I would like to have at least 1 safety playing safe.
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Exactly. We don't want to sit back and play zone defense in the 2nd quarter and let the opposing team's offense dink and dunk its way down the field a la Florida in the BCSCG in '06. However, I do want us to sit back and play zone to make sure the tackle is made in front of us and make sure they waste time by dinking and dunking their way down the field when they only have 25 seconds left and they need a TD. In the first situation, time is not a factor. In the second, it's the biggest factor.

Texas snapped that ball with about 25 seconds left at the 25 yard line. The way they were moving the ball on that drive (with 8-10 yard completions), it would've taken them 3 plays (assuming they completed all three) to reach the end zone, and they likely would have only had time for 3-4 plays total. I like our chances a lot better with that approach, especially given how jammed up the secondary would have been when they're snapping the ball from the 10 or so yard line.
 
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Piney;1375290; said:
I didn't mind it at the start of the drive, but when you are down to 20 seconds or so at around the 30 yard line I would like to have at least 1 safety playing safe.
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buckeyesin07;1375300; said:
Exactly. We don't want to sit back and play zone defense in the 2nd quarter and let the opposing team's offense dink and dunk its way down the field a la Florida in the BCSCG in '06. However, I do want us to sit back and play zone to make sure the tackle is made in front of us and make sure they waste time by dinking and dunking their way down the field when they only have 25 seconds left and they need a TD. In the first situation, time is not a factor. In the second, it's the biggest factor.
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This is an easy debate for both of you given the retrospective aspect of this...but if Freeman drops into his zone in time, we are looking at a breakup if not a pick. If Russell takes the upfield shoulder and gets his head across, we are looking at a timeout and multiple shots in the endzone. Man was working better than the zone all night...it was a gamble and we lost.

My point is that we ask JT to gamble...when he does, we complain. Damned if you do...
 
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osugrad21;1375305; said:
This is an easy debate for both of you given the retrospective aspect of this
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I agree. It just seems to me that under those circumstances (opponent has the ball at your 25 yard line with 25 seconds to go and needs to get into the end zone), if you blitz, best case scenario is a sack and a loss of ten yards and the worst case scenario is, well...we saw what happened, and if you play soft zone, the best case scenario is probably an incomplete pass and the worst case (and much more likely) scenario is a completed pass for 8-10 yards, which would also take at least 8 seconds off the clock and cause them to use a TO. I guess I just don't think that under those circumstances the gamble was worth it, given the magnitude of the worst case scenario, even if it was unlikely to happen. But you're right--at the end of the day, this is easier to say with the benefit of hindsight.
 
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buckeyesin07;1375311; said:
I agree. It just seems to me that under those circumstances (opponent has the ball at your 25 yard line with 25 seconds to go and needs to get into the end zone), if you blitz, best case scenario is a sack and a loss of ten yards and the worst case scenario is, well...we saw what happened, and if you play soft zone, the best case scenario is probably an incomplete pass and the worst case (and much more likely) scenario is a completed pass for 8-10 yards, which would also take at least 8 seconds off the clock and cause them to use a TO. I guess I just don't think that under those circumstances the gamble was worth it, given the magnitude of the worst case scenario, even if it was unlikely to happen. But you're right--at the end of the day, this is easier to say with the benefit of hindsight.
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I definitely see that option also...Texas was picking us apart on the sidelines. This call was an attempt to neutralize that. Freeman should have been cheating to #2 and definitely not letting him cross face...

Eh, the best playcall in football is the one that works...
 
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Why not Rush 3 guys?

Why not rush just three guys and protect from the eventual nickel and diming to death in the final 2 minutes??? Was it not brazenly clear enough that Texas had a weak running game with NEGATIVE 9 yards in the first half??? omg................... Is it now tradition to run the defensive play over and over that the opponant has the highest percentage of success against?

I mean on our last possession, Texas managed to sack Boeckman with a three man rush!!!! My Blood pressure spiked when I started to count our offensive lineman and reached 5 let alone 6 on that play.......

Please bring back Mark Dantonio.
 
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