Game Thread Game One: Ohio State 34, Miami of Ohio 14 (final)

[hookemhorns2004]

I wouldn't advise anybody on what to bet regarding this Ohio State team. You have no idea what the offense will do. This isn't the normal one year to the next progression.

I feel bad for whoever loses money following your advice.

I may be wrong. Anything can happen. Just trying to show that I've been studying these teams. Its a hobby of mine, as CFB is my favorite sport. It is always only an educated guess.

I do believe that you guys beat Miami, but Miami is no slouch like Ball State or North Texas.

This team is the best team in the MAC, at least preseason. Injuries could ruin their year.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I just dont agree with your assessment being based on the last 2 years of Buckeyes vs. chump teams.

 

[hookemhorns2004]

I wouldn't advise anybody on what to bet regarding this Ohio State team. You have no idea what the offense will do. This isn't the normal one year to the next progression.

I feel bad for whoever loses money following your advice.

I took out the part about SMU, Baylor, TCU,etc. You are right, I should keep those comments to a more approtiate board for that content.

I just dont agree with your assessment being based on the last 2 years of Buckeyes vs. chump teams.

Its not. I only gave the last 2 years. And also, any farther back doesn't have a lot of the same personel. A lot of people argue that last year, that tOSU was breaking in new players. Well, what about the year before? Just a trend. I am basing my assessment on the player matchups. I think they can hold their own. But you guys do have the edge in talent. I would never blindly say one team is worse/better b/c the conference they play in, that's ignorant.

 

[CountryRedHawk]

Who are you callin a chump, chimp?

Now that the jokes are over, Hook'em, I'll bet most of the OSU fans on this board know more about the MAC than you. Afterall, the MAC is a Midwest conference and the "Baby Brother" of the BigTen. I am still deciding who I want to kill who on the 10th.... do I wanna deal with the hook'em sign all over(yuck.) and the nasty fans Miami dealt with in baseball last year.... or do I want Ohio State to win, and deal with that all year. It's 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

It is the MAC's NC game, and when a MAC team wins, and it will eventually happen it'll be written of as a fluke. Eh, I'd still take the fluke. Did Ohio State beat Iowa in 2003? I think they did, and Miami lost 21-3, and that isn't as bad as 42-10.

I guess this game is gonna boil down to who's offense clicks the best, and the most. It'll also be a defensive war, and I think that the score(JT's callin off the dogs aside) won't be in the 50's or 60's. I just can't see that happenning.

Also, even if Miami loses to Ohio State, barring injury, that game will show what Miami can do in a hard game, when outmatched and in a very unfriendly environment. Playing in front of 100,000 screaming people is unnerving, and that will prepare Miami for what lies ahead in the season.

Good luck on the 3rd, and the 10th to all teams.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Its not. I only gave the last 2 years. And also, any farther back doesn't have a lot of the same personel. A lot of people argue that last year, that tOSU was breaking in new players. Well, what about the year before? Just a trend. I am basing my assessment on the player matchups. I think they can hold their own. But you guys do have the edge in talent. I would never blindly say one team is worse/better b/c the conference they play in, that's ignorant.

Maybe I'm an idiot for believing in this theory.....but I've always argued that there is nothing wrong with OSU's offense when it is whole. The last 2 years was our offense - Clarett. It's like taking APeterson off the Sooners for this year and expecting them to dominate. They would struggle this year and they would struggle in the near future offensively (as I doubt they have many RB recruits scrambling to be AD's backup). Now that he has been processed through the system and we have our offense back, I don't expect squeekers against Miami(Oh) or SDSU.

It bugs me when people just assume OSU and Tressel are a defensive team with just enough offense to get by. Give Tressel his stud on O (Ginn this year, CWells in the future) and he will put up 50's and 60's on people. It's amazing how people forget what happened just 3 years ago.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Did Ohio State beat Iowa in 2003? I think they did, and Miami lost 21-3, and that isn't as bad as 42-10...

...It'll also be a defensive war, and I think that the score(JT's callin off the dogs aside) won't be in the 50's or 60's. I just can't see that happenning.

We beat Iowa 19-10 (+9) and you lost to them 21-3 (-18), so that's a 27-point differential. While a 42-10 score doesn't compute, a 41-14 score does.

I doubt this will be a defensive war. Normally JT would call off the dogs, but I think this year he'll tolerate a little run-up seeing as we're serious NC contenders (not saying he would like it...just allow it more than he normally would).

 

[hookemhorns2004]

Maybe I'm an idiot for believing in this theory.....but I've always argued that there is nothing wrong with OSU's offense when it is whole. The last 2 years was our offense - Clarett. It's like taking APeterson off the Sooners for this year and expecting them to dominate. They would struggle this year and they would struggle in the near future offensively (as I doubt they have many RB recruits scrambling to be AD's backup). Now that he has been processed through the system and we have our offense back, I don't expect squeekers against Miami(Oh) or SDSU.

It bugs me when people just assume OSU and Tressel are a defensive team with just enough offense to get by. Give Tressel his stud on O (Ginn this year, CWells in the future) and he will put up 50's and 60's on people. It's amazing how people forget what happened just 3 years ago.

That's a very fair statement.

I agree about OU. Also, their loss of Stoops is starting to show, as their team just doesn't look as physical anymore.

I don't think Tressel is a defensive coach. More that he is a ball-control coach and likes to control the tempo of the game. That may translate to a lower scoring offense. Maybe I am mistaken? He obviously showed his teams can put up points as he did in the last 2 games of last season.

 

[buckeyeboy]

Score Prediction: tOSU 27 Miami 17

I am wondering if you can go into a little detail regarding why you think the score will be 27-17. Basically, your post simply did what all the Miami fans basically do; namely, it talked about how they have some good players who put up some good numbers largely against MAC-level talent. Give me some details regarding matchups or how you think the game will play out. Otherwise, I'll just think about what your post what I think about Miami fans who are predicting that they'll stay w/in 10 or even possibly win--that it's all hopelessly optimistic speculation.

 

[lvbuckeye]

This team is the best team in the MAC, at least preseason. Injuries could ruin their year.

NO.

the best team in the MAC this year is Bowling Green, who have one of the best returning QB in college football, Omar Jacobs, who threw for 41 TDs against only 4 INTs last year...

go ahead and blow your own horn, while you make your ignorance known to all...

 

[hookemhorns2004]

NO.

the best team in the MAC this year is Bowling Green, who have one of the best returning QB in college football, Omar Jacobs, who threw for 41 TDs against only 4 INTs last year...

go ahead and blow your own horn, while you make your ignorance known to all...

I honestly think that Bowling Green has to be the most overrated team in the nation. Sure Omar Jacobs is your prototypical NFL QB just waiting to get drafted in the 1st round buttttt just like the 2001 and 2002 Marshall teams, Byron Leftwich didnt play defense and neither does Omar Jacobs. This BG defense is awful and they are gonna go into Madison very very banged up. The hype BG is getting is amazing and to be honest with you, they dont deserve it. BG might score 35, but Wisky gonna score 35 right with them. They cant win games in DeKalb (NIU), Toledo, or Oxford (Miami,OH) and I`ll be shocked if they go into Madison and come out Victors. This Redhawk team is getting absolutely NO recogoniztion at all which baffles me. They have a steller defense and return the 2 best recievers in the league, their entire O-Line and their QB Josh Betts. They're the best team in the MAC.

I am wondering if you can go into a little detail regarding why you think the score will be 27-17. Basically, your post simply did what all the Miami fans basically do; namely, it talked about how they have some good players who put up some good numbers largely against MAC-level talent. Give me some details regarding matchups or how you think the game will play out. Otherwise, I'll just think about what your post what I think about Miami fans who are predicting that they'll stay w/in 10 or even possibly win--that it's all hopelessly optimistic speculation.

If they stay w/in 10, its a winner for me. I'll get back to you on personel questions, that takes more time to answer.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

...This BG defense is awful and they are gonna go into Madison very very banged up...

This Redhawk team is getting absolutely NO recogoniztion at all which baffles me. They have a steller defense...

Defensive comparison, against I-A opponents, between BG's "awful" defense and MU's "stellar" defense:

BG: 24.7 ppg. Four highest scores against: 49, 40, 35, 35.
MU: 24.8 ppg. Four highest scores against: 45, 43, 35, 33.

Doesn't your dick hurt from stepping on it all the time?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I honestly think that Bowling Green has to be the most overrated team in the nation..

I think we can all agree OU is the most overrated team in the nation.

BGSU is the real deal (MAC-wise) Miami is there too, but to put Miami as vastly over BGSU is incorrect.

I've been saying for 2 months, BGSU beats Wisky. We'll see how it turns out, but I'm sticking with it.

 

[lvbuckeye]

Defensive comparison, against I-A opponents, between BG's "awful" defense and MU's "stellar" defense:

BG: 24.7 ppg. Four highest scores against: 49, 40, 35, 35.
MU: 24.8 ppg. Four highest scores against: 45, 43, 35, 33.

Doesn't your dick hurt from stepping on it all the time?

 

[hookemhorns2004]

Defensive comparison, against I-A opponents, between BG's "awful" defense and MU's "stellar" defense:

BG: 24.7 ppg. Four highest scores against: 49, 40, 35, 35.
MU: 24.8 ppg. Four highest scores against: 45, 43, 35, 33.

Doesn't your dick hurt from stepping on it all the time?

Bowling Green
2004 I-A defensive rankings:
Rushing: 37th (132.4 ypg)
Passing: 104th (259.5 ypg)

Returns 6 Definesive Starters

Miami Ohio
2004 I-A defensive rankings:
Rushing: 29th (123.2 ypg)
Passing: 63rd (215.6 ypg)

Returns 7 Defensive Starters

Uhh..No.

I think we can all agree OU is the most overrated team in the nation.

BGSU is the real deal (MAC-wise) Miami is there too, but to put Miami as vastly over BGSU is incorrect.

I've been saying for 2 months, BGSU beats Wisky. We'll see how it turns out, but I'm sticking with it.

Agree on OU being overrated. BG, Miami the top 2 in the conference, that is agreed. I just think Miami is a better complete team than BG.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

So, if your Pass D plays bend don't break they're worse? Scoring stats seem to tell a different story.

Thought you'd see it my way on the OU thing....