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Gene Smith (AD The Ohio State, '10 AD of the Year, '13 NAAC Organizational Leadership Award)

MililaniBuckeye;2007266; said:
Got a PM a few days ago from a well-placed member of this board, saying Tressel may very well be patrolling the sidelines, due to an upcoming decision in the FBI investigation which would show JT indeed had to lie to the NCAA. It may just be wishful thinking of folks in the Y-town area, but weirder shit has happened before in sports...


This would be the greatest thing I've ever seen in all of sports....but then Gene and Gee would have been either completely in the dark or in on the conspiracy

but i like it
 
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Bucklion;2007279; said:
Even if that happened exactly they way it is stated, how would that result in him getting his job back? He wasn't fired, he resigned. They would have to re-hire him, wouldn't they? I can't see that ever happening under any circumstances, on either end. And he has no bearing for a wrongful termination lawsuit or anything since he officially resigned, so he can't just sue to be reinstated.

And why exactly would they not hire him back if he were indeed shown to have been under some sort of FBI gag order at the time of his false statement to the NCAA? Seriously...
 
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HineyBuck;2007299; said:
Strictly speaking, he was neither fired, nor did he resign. He retired. Retiring from an institution complicates getting re-hired by that same institution.

Still, wouldn't it be glorious?

You never worked for the State of Ohio, have you? Believe me, retiring from a postion does not preclude you from being hired back into the department from which you retired. I saw this happen plenty of times while I was working for ODOT.
 
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Bucklion;2007222; said:
No offense, but I think there is more of a chance of turtles uncontrollably crawling out of Luke Fickell's butthole in the third quarter of the Michigan game than there is of Tressel being our coach again next year.

Inside information?

Onebuckfan;2007233; said:
By the 4th game if we were 2 and 2 the crowd at the shoe would turn on JT too..you know it..

True words have rarely been spoken.

Gatorubet;2007243; said:
I'd think the turtles crawling out of Luke's butt would get an even bigger reaction from the crowd, but that's just me. :lol:

There wasn't that much of an uproar when it happened to Joe Pa.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2007292; said:
And why exactly would they not hire him back if he were indeed shown to have been under some sort of FBI gag order at the time of his false statement to the NCAA? Seriously...

Well, knowing Gee's mentality as I do...Ok, scratch that, no one can, given his unpredictability and penchant for putting his foot in his mouth...but...

Perception, right or wrong, is reality in the public world of college athletics. There is a national perception that JT was a dirty coach and ran a dirty program, and that OSU is a dirty program. That will not change in terms of JT, no matter what the FBI might say, because the fact of the matter is whether he lied or not, or had to or whatever, the kids still traded stuff for tattoos and all the rest. Now, the Oakland Raiders renegade in a lot of Ohio State fans will say: fuck 'em, we want our coach back, we don't give a shit what ESPN or fans of other programs say, he wins a lot and he didn't personally do shit wrong. However, there is donor money to think about, which in this economy is more important than ever before, there is recruiting to think about, which this will all be used against him if he ever were to come back...and let's not forget that JT himself had indicated several times that he would soon voluntarily retire anyway. All this did was speed up the process...OSU was going to be trying to find a new coach and writing a new chapter in the very near future regardless.

I guess what I am saying boils down to this...if he was still the coach, any kind of FBI exoneration would be reason for the University to have an excuse to throw their support back behind him and keep him where he is while trying to shore up the compliance department and shifting the blame to the kids involved exclusively...but at this point, re-hiring him to be the highest paid employee in Ohio, with all of the national baggage that would bring, when he will walk out on his own terms in a couple of years anyway, just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense from a number of standpoints. At least to me.
 
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HineyBuck;2007299; said:
Strictly speaking, he was neither fired, nor did he resign. He retired. Retiring from an institution complicates getting re-hired by that same institution.

Still, wouldn't it be glorious?

I thought I remember reading that after meeting with Smith, he hastily typed up a resignation letter and turned it in. Well, either way, the point is the same, he would have to be re-hired.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2007266; said:
Got a PM a few days ago from a well-placed member of this board, saying Tressel may very well be patrolling the sidelines, due to an upcoming decision in the FBI investigation which would show JT indeed had to lie to the NCAA. It may just be wishful thinking of folks in the Y-town area, but weirder [Mark May] has happened before in sports...

If this is true, I would be ecstatic!! Talk about a redemption story. IMO, it couldn't happen to a more deserving guy. Really hoping this is true!!!

:osu:
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2007266; said:
Got a PM a few days ago from a well-placed member of this board, saying Tressel may very well be patrolling the sidelines, due to an upcoming decision in the FBI investigation which would show JT indeed had to lie to the NCAA. It may just be wishful thinking of folks in the Y-town area, but weirder [Mark May] has happened before in sports...

Hmmmm I am sure ESPN could spin that he controls the FBI too.. Would you want Urban or an innocent JT that at this point the media has convicted??
 
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CONGERSBUCKEYE;2007323; said:
Hmmmm I am sure ESPN could spin that he controls the FBI too.. Would you want Urban or an innocent JT that at this point the media has convicted??

Not even close. JT hands down...

I would LOVE to see the media clowns have to wipe the egg off their collective faces. But even more so, I would LOVE to see JT vindicated and
back doing what he loves.

:osu:
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2007292; said:
And why exactly would they not hire him back if he were indeed shown to have been under some sort of FBI gag order at the time of his false statement to the NCAA? Seriously...

I'm not well connected in ANY way, so I don't know anything, but I find it beyond belief that JT would be back at tOSU. Cannot, in any way, see this happening, as much as I'd like to believe that this was true.
 
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Bucklion;2007317; said:
Well, knowing Gee's mentality as I do...Ok, scratch that, no one can, given his unpredictability and penchant for putting his foot in his mouth...but...

Perception, right or wrong, is reality in the public world of college athletics. There is a national perception that JT was a dirty coach and ran a dirty program, and that OSU is a dirty program. That will not change in terms of JT, no matter what the FBI might say, because the fact of the matter is whether he lied or not, or had to or whatever, the kids still traded stuff for tattoos and all the rest. Now, the Oakland Raiders renegade in a lot of Ohio State fans will say: [censored] 'em, we want our coach back, we don't give a [Mark May] what ESPN or fans of other programs say, he wins a lot and he didn't personally do [Mark May] wrong. However, there is donor money to think about, which in this economy is more important than ever before, there is recruiting to think about, which this will all be used against him if he ever were to come back...and let's not forget that JT himself had indicated several times that he would soon voluntarily retire anyway. All this did was speed up the process...OSU was going to be trying to find a new coach and writing a new chapter in the very near future regardless.

I guess what I am saying boils down to this...if he was still the coach, any kind of FBI exoneration would be reason for the University to have an excuse to throw their support back behind him and keep him where he is while trying to shore up the compliance department and shifting the blame to the kids involved exclusively...but at this point, re-hiring him to be the highest paid employee in Ohio, with all of the national baggage that would bring, when he will walk out on his own terms in a couple of years anyway, just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense from a number of standpoints. At least to me.

I think it would show more about his character than ever before. Either he was the biggest fake for all of these years and fooled so many people or he did fall on the sword and willing to lose his dream job to protect his kids. Also a guy who was an AD and Head Coach was dumb enough to sign his name on an NCAA document. I guess which story sounds right perhaps the NCAA will shed some light on to it.

I am certain that on recruiting trails in this day and age of greed that story would go well with parents. I would also assume that at many houses of less fortunate neighborhoods being guilty before innocent is something they could relate too..
 
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scarletngray;2007327; said:
Not even close. JT hands down...

I would LOVE to see the media clowns have to wipe the egg off their collective faces. But even more so, I would LOVE to see JT vindicated and
back doing what he loves.

:osu:

One of the few things I can be 100% certain of is that will never happen. The NCAA and/or FBI could come out and say JT had nothing to do with it or had to do what he did, and the media will do nothing except take a "Where there's smoke, there's fire" approach and call him "Teflon Jim" more than ever. They will not only never admit they were wrong, but will dig up or make up as much as is necessary to ensure they don't look like they were.
 
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Bucklion;2007335; said:
One of the few things I can be 100% certain of is that will never happen. The NCAA and/or FBI could come out and say JT had nothing to do with it or had to do what he did, and the media will do nothing except take a "Where there's smoke, there's fire" approach and call him "Teflon Jim" more than ever. They will not only never admit they were wrong, but will dig up or make up as much as is necessary to ensure they don't look like they were.

Maybe, probably, true. Except that hopefully the general public would see it for what it really is. And maybe, just maybe, one or two of the media will be man enough to say, "we were wrong"....

:osu:
 
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