HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[Bestbuck36]

I liked every decision to go for it. I just hated the plays we chose.

GPA. The attitude is right on but the strategy is supremely flawed

 

[Bestbuck36]

The first paragraph 100%. I am a young fan as well at the ripe age of 35, but I don't forget any of those losses either and the squandered opportunities to win a Natty under Tress and UFM. Those guys get passes in hindsight because they beat *ichigan (mind you, mostly awful *ichigan teams) and are from Ohio.

Day gets extra scrutiny without the Ohio ties and losses to *ichigan, the latter being fair to some extent except that its being brought up not for the point of discussion after the ND win, but rather to bitch and carry on personal narratives. We all know he needs to beat ttun, but lets talk about that in November. And as you said, the last two ttun teams were legit for once in a long time. Obviously not directed at you and I am really just agreeing, but I just came into this thread expecting to see folks applauding Day, not burying him into the ground with doubt and tired rhetoric.


That is my exact problem. Give the man some fucking credit for a hard fought win and doing what everyone was clamoring for to win the game. It was not a perfectly called game, but none of them are and he did what he needed when it mattered and kept his young QB collected enough to win a big game on the road.

In terms of his post game reaction, I loved to see a Ryan Day fired up with piss and vinegar. I don't think that was manufactured at all, I think he was stoked out of his mind to win like that and was telling the rest of the world he doesn't give a shit about what they think of him or his players/staff...isn't that exactly what we were dying to see? I saw it in the UGA game and now the ND game, I want to see that in the big games when the situation calls for it. If we trounced ND, you wouldn't have seen that response.c

It scares the shit out of my generation bud, because Cooper was from out of state. He was brought in mostly, because he beat michigan. Then when he got the job, he shit down his leg under the lights. Day is an out of stater. He was picked for his great offensive gameplans that smashed michigan a couple times under Urban. See where I'm going with this? We can not, and won't stand for, another streak like Coopers. Thats why we are hesitant.

Just fucking beat those bastards so we can all celebrate your great career!

 

[Bestbuck36]

Listened to this. Really good. And a really good perspective on Ryan Day’s outburst. His guys in the lockerroom probably appreciated Day being a mouthpiece to sound off on all the crap these kids hear. That is what matters - his lockerroom and the brotherhood.

Also, Klatt is so so good. Knows X’s ans O’s. Knows Jimmies and Joes. He knows the analytics (numbers) and the man-alytics (human side of the sport).

Not perfect - he tends to get trapped in one narrative or repeated theme (like targetting) and won’t let it go for 60 minutes. But he’s as good as it gets on TV. Will need to give this show a regular listen.

I'll allow it.

 

[RB07OSU]

It scares the shit out of my generation bud, because Cooper was from out of state. He was brought in mostly, because he beat michigan. Then when he got the job, he shit down his leg under the lights. Day is an out of stater. He was picked for his great offensive gameplans that smashed michigan a couple times under Urban. See where I'm going with this? We can not, and won't stand for, another streak like Coopers. Thats why we are hesitant.

Just fucking beat those bastards so we can all celebrate your great career!

Oh I know the parallels to be drawn and my first memorable years as a Buckeye fan were under Cooper, so I remember the agony of the *ichigan defeats year after year. Out of stater that recruits well and can't beat *ichigan/win the biggest games is certainly not illegitimate, but I think we are still doing much better under Day's initial tenure than Cooper's (I would have to pull that up but can't at the moment).

I do think Day is different in his in-game demeanor (not looking utterly confused the whole game like Cooper, which drove me nuts), he is a better recruiter (though Coop was good, Day is a leap ahead), and the connection with his players is much better. Through that into all the talent we have and I think Day is not going to be the next Cooper.

But if we lose The Game again, I will recalibrate and reassess because three in a row is not acceptable....bummer is that a win is going to be much harder to come by on the road and last year was the much better chance to win it. Not at all saying it can't be done, but last year was such a massive letdown with the talent we had on that team and if we played like we did against UGA, we would have blown those fuckers out. Not that I want to lose any games at all, but I would much prefer losing to someone like PSU than *ichigan if it came down to it this year...that may be obvious but its true.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Oh I know the parallels to be drawn and my first memorable years as a Buckeye fan were under Cooper, so I remember the agony of the *ichigan defeats year after year. Out of stater that recruits well and can't beat *ichigan/win the biggest games is certainly not illegitimate, but I think we are still doing much better under Day's initial tenure than Cooper's (I would have to pull that up but can't at the moment).

I can save you the research. Day's first 5 years are night and day better overall results than Cooper's. They inherited the program completely differently from their predecessors.

Earle Bruce had the overall talent level down to the point OSU was a regional team. We had just been manhandled by Indiana. Day inherited the 2019 team and recruiting/development machine that Urban Meyer built.

Day is 1-2 vs tsun and 1-3 in the CFP
Cooper was 2-10-1 vs tsun and 3-8 in Bowl Games

So Day has a .286 win % in his version of the last two games of the year
Cooper had a .229 win % in his last two games of the year.

Color me completely unimpressed by either one.

 

[Woody1968]

I can save you the research. Day's first 5 years are night and day better overall results than Cooper's. They inherited the program completely differently from their predecessors.

Earle Bruce had the overall talent level down to the point OSU was a regional team. We had just been manhandled by Indiana. Day inherited the 2019 team and recruiting/development machine that Urban Meyer built.

Day is 1-2 vs tsun and 1-3 in the CFP
Cooper was 2-10-1 vs tsun and 3-8 in Bowl Games

So Day has a .286 win % in his version of the last two games of the year
Cooper had a .229 win % in his last two games of the year.

Color me completely unimpressed by either one.

I even give Cooper a pass in his bowl record, because he actually won the 1997 Rose Bowl - Earle never won a Rose Bowl, and before 1999, it was Rose Bowl or bust. I can't say I give a crap who won the Holiday or Liberty Bowl. Cooper made OSU a national player again, for better or worse. But he will always be considered a failure because of the record against scUM.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I even give Cooper a pass in his bowl record, because he actually won the 1997 Rose Bowl - Earle never won a Rose Bowl, and before 1999, it was Rose Bowl or bust. I can't say I give a crap who won the Holiday or Liberty Bowl. Cooper made OSU a national player again, for better or worse. But he will always be considered a failure because of the record against scUM.

Yeah, the only thing I give Cooper a pass on is the fact he took over the OSU equivalent of a trainwreck. It was still respectable to most places but it was as low as it's ever been to us. He did bring in a lot of talent but even at it's peak we were still, by and large, weak along both lines. He has some great individual linemen like Stringer, Pace and Wilkinson but the overall play is where teams of an equal weight class beat us. That and the late game choke job bullshit his teams always pulled.

It's funny but right around year 3-4 of their tenure is when I had seen enough to be done with both of them. In '90 Cooper lost the Game and then lost to Air Force in the Liberty Bowl (I'd give that some consideration for the real darkest day in program history). Day had everything he needed to redeem himself in The Game'22 and completely shit himself.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Oh I know the parallels to be drawn and my first memorable years as a Buckeye fan were under Cooper, so I remember the agony of the *ichigan defeats year after year. Out of stater that recruits well and can't beat *ichigan/win the biggest games is certainly not illegitimate, but I think we are still doing much better under Day's initial tenure than Cooper's (I would have to pull that up but can't at the moment).

I do think Day is different in his in-game demeanor (not looking utterly confused the whole game like Cooper, which drove me nuts), he is a better recruiter (though Coop was good, Day is a leap ahead), and the connection with his players is much better. Through that into all the talent we have and I think Day is not going to be the next Cooper.

But if we lose The Game again, I will recalibrate and reassess because three in a row is not acceptable....bummer is that a win is going to be much harder to come by on the road and last year was the much better chance to win it. Not at all saying it can't be done, but last year was such a massive letdown with the talent we had on that team and if we played like we did against UGA, we would have blown those fuckers out. Not that I want to lose any games at all, but I would much prefer losing to someone like PSU than *ichigan if it came down to it this year...that may be obvious but its true.

Fair enough

 

[kujirakira]

Yeah, the only thing I give Cooper a pass on is the fact he took over the OSU equivalent of a trainwreck. It was still respectable to most places but it was as low as it's ever been to us. He did bring in a lot of talent but even at it's peak we were still, by and large, weak along both lines. He has some great individual linemen like Stringer, Pace and Wilkinson but the overall play is where teams of an equal weight class beat us. That and the late game choke job bullshit his teams always pulled.

It's funny but right around year 3-4 of their tenure is when I had seen enough to be done with both of them. In '90 Cooper lost the Game and then lost to Air Force in the Liberty Bowl (I'd give that some consideration for the real darkest day in program history). Day had everything he needed to redeem himself in The Game'22 and completely shit himself.

One that strikes me with Cooper... the sum of the team always felt like less than it's parts.
You look at the players we had, what they did in the NFL... and it's mind boggling how we didn't have a Saban-esque run.

Recently, ive felt the same about our seasons.

 

[Jaxbuck]

One that strikes me with Cooper... the sum of the team always felt like less than it's parts.
You look at the players we had, what they did in the NFL... and it's mind boggling how we didn't have a Saban-esque run.

Recently, ive felt the same about our seasons.

Couldn't agree more.

They say history repeats itself. I think it echoes more than repeats.

The echoes of the '80's and '90's, (Earl and Cooper) are so loud right now I can hardly stand to listen.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Couldn't agree more.

They say history repeats itself. I think it echoes more than repeats.

The echoes of the '80's and '90's, (Earl and Cooper) are so loud right now I can hardly stand to listen.

Day can flip the script this November but if he can’t it may be time for a change. I’d love a loss to Purdue if we beat scum and win the Big 10 title. tOSU should never care about Big 10 also rans even when we lose.Flukes happen ….

 

[Jaxbuck]

Day can flip the script this November but if he can’t it may be time for a change. I’d love a loss to Purdue if we beat scum and win the Big 10 title. tOSU should never care about Big 10 also rans even when we lose.Flukes happen ….

They suck but they are a consistent reality over the years. That is why I cringed a little when I saw the "@" symbol in front of Purdue when the schedule came out. I don't care how bad they are. That place is a house of horrors.

To your point on flukes...I don't even remember who they lost to in 2018 without thinking about it (Purdue that year iirc). First thing that comes to mind when I hear 2018 is beating the dogshit out of tsun on a glorious late November day in the 'Shoe and then having a lot of fun at the Rose Bowl. I couldn't give two shits about the fluke upset to...whoever.

When the CFP expands, those occasional early season fluke games will mean less and less anyway. Beat tsun, win the B1G and compete for NC's is the job to be done. In that order.

 

[ScriptOhio]

RYAN DAY IS COLLEGE FOOTBALL’S FOURTH-HIGHEST-PAID COACH FOR 2023 SEASON​

COLLEGE FOOTBALL’S HIGHEST-PAID COACHES FOR 2023 (PER USA TODAY)

RANK	COACH	SCHOOL	TOTAL PAY
1	Nick Saban	Alabama	$11,407,000*
2	Dabo Swinney	Clemson	$10,884,775*
3	Kirby Smart	Georgia	$10,705,600
4	Ryan Day	Ohio State	$10,271,250*
5	Mel Tucker	Michigan State	$10,015,350*
6	Brian Kelly	Louisiana State	$9,975,000*
7	Jimbo Fisher	Texas A&M	$9,150,000
8	Mark Stoops	Kentucky	$9,013,600
9	Josh Heupel	Tennessee	$9,000,000
10	Lane Kiffin	Mississippi	$9,000,000*
Note: Michigan State fired Tucker for cause on Sept. 27.

(Note: USA TODAY’s salary database does not include coaches from private schools whose contracts are not subject to public records requests, including USC’s Lincoln Riley and Notre Dame’s Marcus Freeman.)

 

[zbuck]

RYAN DAY IS COLLEGE FOOTBALL’S FOURTH-HIGHEST-PAID COACH FOR 2023 SEASON​

COLLEGE FOOTBALL’S HIGHEST-PAID COACHES FOR 2023 (PER USA TODAY)

RANK	COACH	SCHOOL	TOTAL PAY
1	Nick Saban	Alabama	$11,407,000*
2	Dabo Swinney	Clemson	$10,884,775*
3	Kirby Smart	Georgia	$10,705,600
4	Ryan Day	Ohio State	$10,271,250*
5	Mel Tucker	Michigan State	$10,015,350*
6	Brian Kelly	Louisiana State	$9,975,000*
7	Jimbo Fisher	Texas A&M	$9,150,000
8	Mark Stoops	Kentucky	$9,013,600
9	Josh Heupel	Tennessee	$9,000,000
10	Lane Kiffin	Mississippi	$9,000,000*
Note: Michigan State fired Tucker for cause on Sept. 27.

Mel Tucker ...

 

[Jaxbuck]

Paying these guys 10% (and more) of the total revenue their program generates seems a little...excessive.

I wonder what those 7 SEC coaches salaries represent in terms of their conference's total comp to professors? If anyone needed anymore of a visual of just how-not-like the other sports football is, I can't imagine what it would be.