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Yes. That’s how I read it too but someone had to design the contract and it obviously had moving parts different that the 4 stated goals.
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alexhortdog95
Dumpster Fire behind the rows...
Okay guys, this isn't a troll post, but an honest one that has to do with coach Day. I'm talking with a co-worker about your fan base and how you all get down with coaches that have a problem beating scUM. My statement was that if Coach Day didn't beat scUM this year, his seat would get hot:
Here's the question he wanted me to ask y'all (based on the four goals in a previous post):
"I would ask them if they would rather he be 9-3 or 8-4 but beats Michigan every year and never sniffs the B10 championship or playoff. That would miss 3 of the 4 goals above as well. Essentially they want him to go undefeated every year and if he doesn't he needs to be fired."
Here's the question he wanted me to ask y'all (based on the four goals in a previous post):
"I would ask them if they would rather he be 9-3 or 8-4 but beats Michigan every year and never sniffs the B10 championship or playoff. That would miss 3 of the 4 goals above as well. Essentially they want him to go undefeated every year and if he doesn't he needs to be fired."
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His premise is flawed.
If we beat tsun, we win the B1G. After that, it depends on who you ask, and how old they are. Younger guys are all about the CFP. Older guys, like me will typically give you and answer along the lines of "we could go 0-11 and win The Game and I could live with it."
More reasonable case in point, 2018. We lost to Purdue, cost a shot in the CFP and most here only remember it as a good season because we beat tsun, wrecked their season, won the B1G and won the Rose Bowl. I personally couldn't care less about the CFP.
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We don't play that game.
We expect perfection. All the time. Anything less is going to get you run out of town at some point ....
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alexhortdog95
Dumpster Fire behind the rows...
I was like that with KSU. I could go 1-11 that year and as long as those bastards from Laggyville in that dumpster fire were eating crow at the end of the year, I would be happy
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1926Buckeyes
Head Coach
I get that, and it sounds good, but I want OSU to weight the odds first. Finding a coach to beat one specific team is hard enough. There are too many factors at play in regards to coaching styles, talent levels, etc. OSU finding a replacement for Day that beats Michigan 8 of 10 years AND maintains his winning percentage AND makes the CFP 75% of the time AND maintains a winning record in it, is close to impossible. It's not worth it to gamble your Ferrari for a nicer engine using 100-1 odds.
If you can't find someone who is guaranteed to come in and be an immediate upgrade, why go through roster, coaching, and program upheaval? If you fire a coach winning 89% of the time, and the replacement doesn't come in year 1 and beat Michigan while going at least 2-3 on the rest of the goal list, you're back to square 1 and the laughing stock of college football.
The hardest part of the sport is being patient. It's tough to do with someone who puts the team in a great position, but has lost to your rival and hasn't won it all. But I do think that patience can pay off in a huge way. We've been used to coaches who win NCs immediately, but struggle to find that form for the rest of their tenure. I'm really hoping that Day can be the opposite and peak later with a few more NCs. If not I'll be here gnashing my teeth with the rest of you.
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Jake
Once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye
‘17 The Deuce Champ
Fantasy Baseball Champ
'18 The Deuce Champ
Woody took over a program with a .600 winning percentage the five years before he got there. They played one Rose Bowl and won it.
The five years before Day took over the Bucks won 90% of their games, were 5-1 in postseason (including an NC), and 5-0 versus TTUN. He inherited a program in far better shape than Woody.
Since then Day has maintained the 90% win rate, but he's 2-3 in postseason and 1-2 versus TTUN. The performance in the biggest games has dropped off. If he stumbles down the stretch again this season (or worse) then we're getting into John Cooper territory. Coop got a lot of years because he won a lot of games, just rarely the big ones. They finally replaced him and OSU started winning big ones again.
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Not for nothing but LLLLLLOYD Carr talked a lot of shit going 8-4 a lot of years and beating Ohio State until Tressel got here
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I think, and this is speculation of course, but Cooper got as many years as he did because the talent got demonstrably better over time until 1999. He also beat Notre Dame twice and beat Penn State several, so I think they just thought eventually he would either figure out the Michigan game or the talent would just eventually win out.
Cooper didn’t really get fired for losing to Michigan, he had been doing that…he got fired because after 1998 the talent went over a cliff, and the team looked undisciplined both on the field and in the classroom. If the 2000 team resembled the 1996 or 1998 talent-wise, he probably would have gotten more time.
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Poe McKnoe
Head Coach
Here is where I’m at, not that anyone asked…Cautiously optimistic, yet turning pessimistic.
I think Ryan Day is a premier pass play designer and passing game coordinator. I think he’s probably the best in the country at identifying pass plays based on defensive alignment. I think he’s a top level communicator and story teller. I think he also thinks he is better than he is at calling a complete game.
It feels like Jim Knowles has a Ferrari, but it’s held together with bubble gum. We know from his history that he can get a lot out of lower recruits, so why can’t he get what he needs out of 5 and 4 star recruits at every position. I think he’s adapted his defense to limit the big play, and maybe this is really year 1 instead of year 2 it shows on the calendar. I think another portion comes down to development.
Personally, I don’t think Ryan Day is going to get us a championship. He has shown an ability to talk the talk and recruits at an extremely high level - maybe even higher than Urban, if you believe the stars (he even has Urban’s talent evaluator and S&C coach). He has not shown the ability to develop the talent outside of the QB and WR positions. He has not shown the ability to make successful personnel decisions. I don’t see more Ohio State players being faster, stronger, better conditioned, or better coached.
He has not shown the ability to develop coaches. I say develop because supposedly he is working with the best money can buy. Yet, he doesn’t have a coaching tree except Hafley, which makes it a coaching stump.
And I don’t think he recognizes that he’s basically getting Tresselballed by Jim Harbaugh the last 2 Novembers. All Michigan has done is draw up a couple trick plays, played sound football, and waited for Ohio State’s mistakes and capitalized. Ryan Day has taken the bait and played right into it, trying to show why his team is faster or more physical.
I will give myself an out (of course) and say Coach Day can be that guy IF he can evolve. Some coaches win it all their second year and get fired within 2 years, some don’t win it all until their 10th year. What you have you be worried about is those that don’t win it at all. Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown a desire to adapt himself as much as adapt the situation around him. Then again, isn’t that the downfall of most people? Hell, the two coaches before him each won a championship and arguably squandered more talent and opportunities than any coaches in the nation, and Buckeye history, because they had more of both and couldn’t evolve.
Hopefully this corrects the cosmic football alignment and sets the Buckeyes on the path, but I’m losing hope.
I think Ryan Day is a premier pass play designer and passing game coordinator. I think he’s probably the best in the country at identifying pass plays based on defensive alignment. I think he’s a top level communicator and story teller. I think he also thinks he is better than he is at calling a complete game.
It feels like Jim Knowles has a Ferrari, but it’s held together with bubble gum. We know from his history that he can get a lot out of lower recruits, so why can’t he get what he needs out of 5 and 4 star recruits at every position. I think he’s adapted his defense to limit the big play, and maybe this is really year 1 instead of year 2 it shows on the calendar. I think another portion comes down to development.
Personally, I don’t think Ryan Day is going to get us a championship. He has shown an ability to talk the talk and recruits at an extremely high level - maybe even higher than Urban, if you believe the stars (he even has Urban’s talent evaluator and S&C coach). He has not shown the ability to develop the talent outside of the QB and WR positions. He has not shown the ability to make successful personnel decisions. I don’t see more Ohio State players being faster, stronger, better conditioned, or better coached.
He has not shown the ability to develop coaches. I say develop because supposedly he is working with the best money can buy. Yet, he doesn’t have a coaching tree except Hafley, which makes it a coaching stump.
And I don’t think he recognizes that he’s basically getting Tresselballed by Jim Harbaugh the last 2 Novembers. All Michigan has done is draw up a couple trick plays, played sound football, and waited for Ohio State’s mistakes and capitalized. Ryan Day has taken the bait and played right into it, trying to show why his team is faster or more physical.
I will give myself an out (of course) and say Coach Day can be that guy IF he can evolve. Some coaches win it all their second year and get fired within 2 years, some don’t win it all until their 10th year. What you have you be worried about is those that don’t win it at all. Unfortunately, he hasn’t shown a desire to adapt himself as much as adapt the situation around him. Then again, isn’t that the downfall of most people? Hell, the two coaches before him each won a championship and arguably squandered more talent and opportunities than any coaches in the nation, and Buckeye history, because they had more of both and couldn’t evolve.
Hopefully this corrects the cosmic football alignment and sets the Buckeyes on the path, but I’m losing hope.
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BUCK3YE5
B.I.A.
The best example of this would be who most would consider the best coach in the sport right now, Kirby Smart.
His first 5 years he lost an average of 3 games per year. Included in that was a historical choke job in the National Championship Game.
Since then, he’s won b2b Natty’s and looks like a lock to get into the CFP again this year.
Day is a lock to be here at least through next season. We’ll see beyond that.
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I would add two things:
1) The odds are much higher that once a pattern of behavior/performance emerges, it will stay the same than they are that the person just flips a switch and gets better.
2) if someone does think the light is going to go on any minute now ask yourself this; of all the slightly troubling issues that emerged in ‘18 as the OC, ‘19 and ‘20 are any getting better? Or are they more acute now 5 years removed from inheriting the monster that Urban built?
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