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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

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heisman said:
Agreed. I think people want someone who is creative, and unfortunately, that’s the antithesis of the job requirements. It’s not the AD that’s going to drive a true NIL model. In fact, OSU‘s business model directly competes with their student athletes‘ business model (charitable donations), so the AD is probably the last person that’s going to drive change that directly conflicts with his employer’s business model.
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... this should be interesting, because Ord's previous reply to me included a need for the AD to micromanage NIL.

sg86 said:
Lol Vrabel is not taking a job whose primary required trait is to be a shameless ass kisser
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My point is that i dont want another Machieavellian politician or bureaucrat who will throw his hires under the bus to save his own skin... and then turn around and give raises for bad performance.
Vrabel was just a name.
I dont want the ass kisser*, i want the ass taker.

*Yes gladhanding donors comes with the job, so does any head coach job in pros or Uni
 
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kujirakira said:
Im not interested in rehashing what Gene did or didn't do.
My issue is that he's a politician, not an Athletic Director. That has pluses and minuses, but it's ran its course and time to go back in the other direction.
My issue is that your list of "qualifications" remains entirely in the political sphere.
It's an Athletic Department, not the Wexner Center or ICICLE. His degree is perfectly relevant to the position.
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Becoming AD at a place like Ohio State is like making the jump 3star to 4 star general. You have to know your job and be able to handle the politics that come with it.
sg86 said:
Lol Vrabel is not taking a job whose primary required trait is to be a shameless ass kisser
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So more on the "ass kicker" side?
 
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kujirakira said:
... this should be interesting, because Ord's previous reply to me included a need for the AD to micromanage NIL.
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I’m not seeing it.

1. The AD is never going to ask potential athletic department donors to donate directly to the student athletes. That’s detrimental to the athletic department and could possibly lead to a Title IX lawsuit, because we all know where those donations are headed.

2. The AD certainly isn’t an agent of the student athlete. They are an agent of the University’s athletic department. They aren’t going to magically start negotiating true sponsorship deals between corporations and student athletes. These are also incredibly rare opportunities and an AD doesn’t have the necessary aptitude to negotiate these types of deals.
 
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buckeyebri said:
Guys aren’t going to sit around and wait to be “developed” anymore. Lots of money being thrown around.

Issues at QB, issues with the line and a lot of negativity around the program right now probably aren’t helping things.
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The sport is permanently changed but we’re in an exceptional moment. Normalization will happen and things like the portal/opt-outs won’t ruin program management forever.
 
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kujirakira said:
Ideally yes
But we've gone too far down 1 track and it's time for a course correction.
We have a ton of players active in media. An NFL head coach has similar media responsibilities. Has to gladhand with owners and GMs.
There's some nuanced differences, but the idea that an athlete/coach can't do these things - only a bureaucrat - is exactly what id expect from a bureaucrat in the civil service.
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#1, I hope I am misreading something here. It looks like you are calling me a "bureaucrat in the civil service" I'm a retired Machine Builder/Engineer specializing in robotics and automation. Never spent a day in the civil service. And I never said a former athlete COULDN'T do the job, but they would certainly need to have an additional background giving them the qualifications to administer an Athletic Dept as large and complex as OSU's. If I were in charge of hiring someone to run a major company, I certainly wouldn't hire someone just because they were good at a sport and I happened to be a fan. I would hire someone with a solid administrative and financial background.
and your comparison of an AD and an NFL Head Coach doesn't really apply. An NFL Head Coach is just that, a coach. A better comparison would that team's General Manager. He's the one who is responsible for overseeing the whole operation of the team, and he is dealing with 1 team. The AD at OSU has to deal with over 30 sports and all other aspects of the Dept.
 
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Zander42 said:
Agreed. Also, he might get a pass for 2021. They were cheating then but we didn't know it yet. It very much seems like Ohio State knew that they were cheating in 2022. They even informed TCU of this. The excuse is that during the season you only have a week to change up your signals.

I say horseshit to that. Your job as HC of Ohio State is 1. Beat tcun. 2. win the Big Ten. 3. Compete for a natty. That's the fucking job.

Here's the 2022 Ohio State schedule for the month of November:

Northwestern: 21-7 W
Indiana: 56-14 W
Maryland: 43-30 W

If you're the coach at Ohio State and you know those fuckers are cheating, you start preparing October 29th after the Penn State game and treat the next three games as exhibitions. Maybe you lose to Maryland in the scenerio, but you win the other two with basically the Penn State gameplan, signals and your Heisman candidate QB. You know what happens if you spend a month changing up your signals but you drop one to Maryland. You have a pretty good chance of beating tCun, winning the Big Ten, and you still make the playoffs (see job goals above.)
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You start preparing in January for those fu—ers
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
The more I am watching our conference in these bowl games the more I'm pushed to the camp to cut bait. He's a passive coach. He doesn't force the issue and shrinks under pressure. Ohio State needs an aggressive type of coach that can motivate his people.

I didn't want to say it but he's not the guy.
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What you say is true. But I wasn't against Day until that bowl game. There is just no way a guy that was supposed to be a QB whisper should get off the hook for what transpired. We couldn't get near the fucking red zone. Go look at box scores of all the other teams that had to use their backup qbs. Most of them ( not FSU) put up plenty of points.

If Day figured he couldn't spend his time coaching the qbs as much ok. Then that fucking qb coach should have been fired before the trip home.

I hate to say it but I do have zero hope for next year. 3-4 loses easily unless a Fields walks through the portal.

Hiw the fuck could Day have no plays for blitzing? Wtf. Rant over
 
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heisman said:
I’m not seeing it.

1. The AD is never going to ask potential athletic department donors to donate directly to the student athletes. That’s detrimental to the athletic department and could possibly lead to a Title IX lawsuit, because we all know where those donations are headed.

2. The AD certainly isn’t an agent of the student athlete. They are an agent of the University’s athletic department. They aren’t going to magically start negotiating true sponsorship deals between corporations and student athletes. These are also incredibly rare opportunities and an AD doesn’t have the necessary aptitude to negotiate these types of deals.
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AD - and for that matter anyone employed by the University - can't be involved with NIL, but we all know ADs are involved with NIL around the country.
It leaves you open to lawsuit issues, but we'll have to wait and see how that plays out. I think Oregon has been sued already.


It's just a new layer to the bagman thing.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
That really only applies to this season, and it certainly does apply. 21: tcun cheated, and we turned around and won the Rose Bowl. 22: tcun cheated and we turned around and were a missed field goal away from knocking off UGA and an almost certain NC.

Even if you grant tcun 21 as the year that Simple Jim finally finds his baseball: at home against Coombs' defense. There's no fucking way that tcun come out in Ohio Stadium and shut down CJ Stroud without Stalions on the sideline.
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Had to put a good amount of thought into this.

- The 2021 game is a wash to me. We lost up front on both sides start to finish.
- The following Rose Bowl was against a VERY flawed Utah squad who had walk-on WR's turned DB. Don't get me wrong, winning against any ranked opponent, especially in The GrandDaddy, isn't taken for granted. But I also have to take into consideration the quality of opponent and the personnel matchup itself.

- 2022 we had possible evidence we suspected cheating but carried on as usual. Even then, for example the bad special teams play and bad execution on a failed 4th down conversion early; we had a level of play from the Bucks that 20 years of previous games we had grown to be the team who made the plays and didn't fade mentally.

- The UGA game was a fantastic offensive display where we matched up very well with a UGA secondary that was the total opposite of how quality their front 7 was. If only the 2022 defense could have been 75% of what we've gotten most of this 23' season, tOSU likely walks over TCU for a natty.


I've seen good coaching from RD, I've seen questionable coaching from RD. However my concerns can be bullet pointed.

- We struggle and lose games against similar talent. 2019 vs Clemson. 2020 vs Bama. 2022 vs UGA.
- The Oline and Dline play, the two big things this fan base railed so passionately about was the deficiency when we would play against big OOC opponents under Tressel, (especially 2006-2008) has regressed the last few years. In particular the Oline this season and the Dline depth the last couple.
- Getting younger players in for meaningful minutes as the season goes, this way you have fresh(er) legs for the home stretch.
- Coordinator and position coaches hampering the growth and development of entire position units.
- Some questionable hiring practices and slow decision making to move on from them.
- NIL concerns and a lack of unification on that front
- The comments that The Game is just another game and players letting slip that sentiment at times. This one is more of a personal thing and interpretation than actually being that quantifiable.




I believe Day still has significant room for improvement and growth as a coach and leader. But his growth starts with the focus on a process of continuous self improvement. We have questions about our position coaches, we have questions about identifying on field leaders for this team, and we have questions about the sharp decline in the play of both lines since the 2019 season.

The Game in particular, cheating or no cheating, has put this team behind the 8 ball. What mental, recruiting and coaching edge with a foundation fought and earned so desperately 20+ years ago is on the cusp of being erased.

What's clear is that this upcoming 2024 season is it. Regardless of the recruiting, NIL, coaching staff, Stallions, Harbaugh, etc etc. Day has to at least show some steady hand guiding the ship, this team must show even 'slow-motion' improvement and you HAVE to beat scUM in C'bus.

Anything less and there will be a new HC in 2025.
 
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