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High School Fan Behavior

Doesn't get any worse than this. For the record, DC based Dunbar high school had never had issues playing out of District schools in the past including a game at North Canton Hoover last season.

Md. Attorney General's Office Investigating Dunbar-Fort Hill Incident


The Office of Civil Rights in the Maryland attorney general's office has begun an investigation into last Friday's high school football game between Dunbar and Fort Hill, which ended in the third quarter when Dunbar Coach Craig Jefferies pulled his team off the field after his players said they were subjected to racial slurs from opposing players.
"We are looking at this incident," Carl O. Snowden, director of the Office of Civil Rights, said yesterday. "From what we have seen previously, it's not surprising that there are claims of racial taunts."
Last spring, tensions rose at Fort Hill, a high school in Cumberland, Md., after two students were suspended following an argument that allegedly included racist epithets. Subsequently, some students began displaying the Confederate flag on their clothes and trucks, prompting Fort Hill Principal Steve Lewis to ban the flag's display at school.
An investigation of the flag display is ongoing, according to a spokesman from the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division who declined further comment.
Fort Hill Coach Todd Appel said the flag issue was in the back of his mind when Jefferies made his allegations. "We had an incident here last year," Appel said Saturday, "and it's not something we want to be associated with."


Snowden said the flag incident, coupled with last Friday's allegations, raised concerns in his office. "If, indeed, this occurred," he said, "then there is a pattern developing that shows a systemic problem."
Ned Sparks, executive director of the Maryland Public Secondary Schools Athletic Association, said his organization is gathering reports from both schools and will not make a determination on the outcome of the game -- either a Dunbar forfeit or a no-contest -- until that information is received.
Dunbar was leading 14-8 Friday when Jefferies pulled his team off the field. Appel said in a memo to Lewis that referee Bob Broadwater told him the score would be recorded as 15-14 in Fort Hill's favor.
Jefferies said Friday he made the decision after his players said they were subjected to repeated racial epithets and that he thought if he hadn't, a fight would have broken out.
"The worst-case scenario was a fight, which was inevitable at that point," he said the next day. "You could feel the sense of being uncomfortable in that stadium, and I had to do something proactive."
Danielle Lee and Mercedes Nelson, both 14 and in ninth grade at Fort Hill, said yesterday that they attended Friday's game and that it wasn't clear from the grandstands what actually happened. They said they saw the visiting team walk off the field, without explanation, amid shouts.
Lee, who is black, said accounts from classmates afterward convinced her the exchange was "probably just trash talk." Nelson, who is white, said talk around the school generally found fault with the visiting team. "Everybody just kept saying they were playing dirty, like cussing and stuff," Nelson said.



Accounts of the scene from four police officers, one game referee, two Fort Hill school officials and Appel released yesterday by the Allegany County Board of Education described unruly behavior by Fort Hill fans and players from both teams but said no racial slurs were heard. Jefferies said neither he nor anyone from Dunbar was contacted for the report.
Lewis did not return messages seeking comment yesterday. D.C. Schools Chancellor Michelle A. Rhee requested school employees offer no further comment.
Jacob Watkins, Danielle Lee's stepfather, who is black, said his family has not witnessed an unusual amount of racial tension at the school or in the Cumberland community.
"Racial problems exist just about everywhere," he said. "The main thing is, we need to teach kids about tolerance. . . . The way my mother trained me -- you give respect, you get respect."
Another D.C. public high school football team, McKinley, is scheduled to play at Fort Hill on Oct. 3, but McKinley Coach Cornell Simms said yesterday that his school is weighing whether it should opt out.
Simms said the two schools signed a one-game contract three weeks ago, after Appel noticed the two schools shared an open date. Simms said the contract calls for McKinley to be paid $3,000 for the game but that it has no-penalty clause if McKinley does not show up.


"We have to look at the ramifications of what transpired there," McKinley Athletic Director Wanda Oliver-McKenzie said. "We certainly will not knowingly put our students in danger. We will make a decision, but only after all the facts are reviewed and consequences weighed."
De Vise reported from Cumberland, Md.
 
LightningRod;1268935; said:
For the record, DC based Dunbar high school had never had issues playing out of District schools in the past including a game at North Canton Hoover last season.
Cumberland Times-News - Dunbar coach says team quit because of racial taunts
At the time, the Sentinels were driving the ball and being aided by a series of penalties assessed to Dunbar. At one point, after Coach Jefferies removed a player from the field, the player threw his helmet down on the sideline, which drew an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Dunbar had four unsportsmanlike penalties for the game, three in the third quarter, was flagged for a late hit on the next play, with Jefferies being penalized for arguing that foul.
?The Ponderosa (Steakhouse in LaVale) called us and wanted to know who to send the bill to for the bathroom that was damaged before the game when Dunbar was having their pregame meal there,? Lewis said. ?So maybe that was their state of emotion before the game even started, I don?t know.?

Amanda Coffman, manager of the Ponderosa, confirmed to the Times-News that a urinal in a restaurant bathroom was damaged, saying, ?It appears the kids were standing on the urinal and it came off the wall.?
 
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Social Contract

This incident illustrates the demise of Social Contract in the United States. Social Contract is the concept the people do what is right for the whole of society with the aim of making social dynamics better for the whole and subsequently themselves.

For a large part of society this holds no appeal and no social consequence. Social behavior for many has become a totally "ME" based dynamic.

Racism is totally heinous behavior and degrades ALL involved. Racial slurs and discrimination for any reason is wrong. But my observation has been that this is a two way street. Oh how can that be true? How can discrimination go the other direction?

Poor high school behavior has been an issue for decades not just now. The problem has become that adults make excuses to rationalize the behavior or their students for whatever the reason.

What is right and what is wrong has become totally subjective for so many. It really isn't that hard. If you have to ask if it is right or it is wrong, it almost certainly tells you it is wrong.

So much of this type of culture is bankrupt and it then becomes an exuse to act poorly. Kids will be kids will happen in the future. But where are the good parents grabbing their kid by the collar and holding them accountable? Ooops, that may be a trait from my childhood, but it did work. Don't get me wrong, kids from my era were ornery, but if you crossed the line, folks in my neighborhood and my house kicked your butt for this.

Soapbox ended.....but it is obvious. ME-ME-ME-ME-ME
 
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im not really sure what happened.

i will say one thing about why i like sports. they are about overcoming things. look at it in terms of football. you have to overcome- your opponents, fans, weather, officiating, your defense/offense/special teams/coaching and make plays to score more points to win the game. part of me is really sad with this story. the racial unrest bothers me, sending the message of packing it in and not rising above the noise, the adversity, the challenges bothers me more...
 
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Jacob Watkins, Danielle Lee's stepfather, who is black, said his family has not witnessed an unusual amount of racial tension at the school or in the Cumberland community.

Oddly, I have anecdotal evidence to the contrary... and I have no idea why I thought of this, and Mr. Watkins certainly has a better feel for Cumberland than I do... as far as I can remember, my entire "Cumberland Experience" has been blowing through it at 85mph on 68, though as I used to have family in the DC area, this was reasonably often.

However, one of those times of blowing through, was on MLK Day... and... on my way back to Ohio, I took note of a couple of "gentlemen" that decided that they should spend their "holiday" by driving an ATV to on of the hills over the highway and waving their CSA battle flag in their camo...

I remember thinking that even if I were racist, there's very good chance I could come up with something better to do.... like watch Oprah reruns or something.
 
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How about high school athletics' behavior?


New York high school track brawl breaks out during relay race

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFBWVJgL8nc"]ALL OUT BRAWL AT TRACK MEET (CRAZY FIGHTS) - YouTube[/ame]

At this past weekend's Hispanic Games, a brawl broke out between a pair of New York high school 4x400-meter relay squads midway through the third heat.
Mt. Vernon (N.Y.) High sophomore Rai Benjamin and an unidentified Thomas Jefferson (Brooklyn, N.Y.) High athlete collided, and when Benjamin attempted to rejoin the race, he was taken down by another TJHS runner, according to a Journal News report. A fight resulted between the two teams, including athletes not yet competing.

Entire article: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highs...rack-brawl-breaks-during-relay-213840086.html
 
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This shit goes both ways. My Daughter plays AAU BBall and often is one of the few white girls on the court. On MANY occasions shouts of "Whitey" and taunting while she's on the line come from the Parents of other teams.

This crap has been going on since she was 10.

Taunting generally comes from lack of talent and being too Fucking stupid to come up with a creative way to get in the other teams head.

It's also not a black thing, it's an ignorant thing. Some of the worst, trash talking douche bags I have ever seen are red-neck trailer trash. Bunch of fucking inbreeds.
 
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Folanator;2290327; said:
This [Mark May] goes both ways. My Daughter plays AAU BBall and often is one of the few white girls on the court. On MANY occasions shouts of "Whitey" and taunting while she's on the line come from the Parents of other teams.

This crap has been going on since she was 10.

Taunting generally comes from lack of talent and being too [censored]ing stupid to come up with a creative way to get in the other teams head.

It's also not a black thing, it's an ignorant thing. Some of the worst, trash talking douche bags I have ever seen are red-neck trailer trash. Bunch of [censored]ing inbreeds.


this stuff happened to me too as a ball player while younger. It does go both ways and it is equally wrong on BOTH sides.
 
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Odd. I went to the only school in the area with a diversified class. My own friends joked about me being white but playing in the secondary. That went away pretty fast when people find out you can play. Same thing in DC for league football. Heard a few jokes, nothing that wasn't worth laughing about... went away pretty quick.

That's what I love about football, color doesn't matter - as long as you can play.

Never mind preaching tolerance - what about acceptance? Not everybody is the same. Deal with it.

You get names and what not hurled at you..? Use it - beat their ass on the field and laugh at them when you get off the field. It's that simple.
 
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Buckeneye;2290466; said:
Odd. I went to the only school in the area with a diversified class. My own friends joked about me being white but playing in the secondary. That went away pretty fast when people find out you can play. Same thing in DC for league football. Heard a few jokes, nothing that wasn't worth laughing about... went away pretty quick.

That's what I love about football, color doesn't matter - as long as you can play.

Never mind preaching tolerance - what about acceptance? Not everybody is the same. Deal with it.

You get names and what not hurled at you..? Use it - beat their ass on the field and laugh at them when you get off the field. It's that simple.


agreed
 
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Buckeneye;2290466; said:
Odd. I went to the only school in the area with a diversified class. My own friends joked about me being white but playing in the secondary. That went away pretty fast when people find out you can play. Same thing in DC for league football. Heard a few jokes, nothing that wasn't worth laughing about... went away pretty quick.

That's what I love about football, color doesn't matter - as long as you can play.

Never mind preaching tolerance - what about acceptance? Not everybody is the same. Deal with it.

You get names and what not hurled at you..? Use it - beat their ass on the field and laugh at them when you get off the field. It's that simple.

Cracka, please.
 
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Buckeneye;2290466; said:
Odd. I went to the only school in the area with a diversified class. My own friends joked about me being white but playing in the secondary. That went away pretty fast when people find out you can play. Same thing in DC for league football. Heard a few jokes, nothing that wasn't worth laughing about... went away pretty quick.

That's what I love about football, color doesn't matter - as long as you can play.

Never mind preaching tolerance - what about acceptance? Not everybody is the same. Deal with it.

You get names and what not hurled at you..? Use it - beat their ass on the field and laugh at them when you get off the field. It's that simple.
That's true. Years ago I was at a basketball tournament in las Vegas watching a game between Oak Hill academy (pretty much all black and full of D1 prospects including Ron Mercer) against Mike Bibby's high school team (all white except for Bibby who was half and half). Before the game I heard lots of smack about how these white boys were going to get ran out of the gym. The white boys won the game. By the 2nd half nobody that was sitting around me was making any "white men can't jump" jokes.
 
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