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How do you do it as a disciple of Jesus? I am guessing there is probably a tie back to the escaping of our holiday culture as part of that.

The short answer is that as a Messianic, I try to live my "Christian" walk as best I can from the perspective of the first generation of Jesus' followers...at least as best as one can in the 21st century. As everyone knows, Jesus wasn't actually born around Dec 25, but less well known is that the celebration of His birth at any time of the year is a third century development. As I told my mother when she was horrified to hear I was giving up Christmas, you can't find anywhere in Scripture instruction to remember His birth. This is not denying the beautiful message of God's Love for the world in the "Christmas Story" as found in the first chapters of Matthew, Luke, and John, but I find it more meaningful to dwell on this message when I celebrate Sukkot (i.e. Feast of Tabernacles) in September/October. During this time of year, I do keep Chanukah, but other than giving my daughter gifts and lighting the chanukiah, it is personally a time for rededicating myself to God. I do this by reading 1 and 2 Maccabees and dwelling upon my own need to remove cultural influences that I have accepted, which are contrary to the instructions of God.

Also, I haven't given up Christmas 100% in the sense that my family still goes to my parents every year on the 25th. We allow gifts to be given to my daughter (we tell then they are late Chanukah gifts) and we give gifts to my nephews, but it really is just a family gathering, much like at Thanksgiving.
 
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Also, I haven't given Christmas 100% in the sense that my family still goes to my parents every year on the 25th. We allow gifts to be given to my daughter and we give gifts to my nephews, but it really is just a family gathering, much like at Thanksgiving.

So, to be clear, you've sworn off nothing that Bri despises.
 
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So, to be clear, you've sworn off nothing that Bri despises.

Hmmmm, not sure. Other than giving some gift certificates to my parents for restaurants that they would never go to on their own, the only gift giving is to the children in the family. I think his problem was with adult gift giving and the unspoken obligation to reciprocate.
 
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Hmmmm, not sure. Other than giving some gift certificates to my parents for restaurants that they would never go to on their own, the only gift giving is to the children in the family. I think his problem was with adult gift giving and the unspoken obligation to reciprocate.


Nah, his problem is that his family turns into a bunch of psychos, you know, leading up to the family gathering with the presents. Now... he might put a finer point on it, but... yeah.
 
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Nah, his problem is that his family turns into a bunch of psychos, you know, leading up to the family gathering with the presents. Now... he might put a finer point on it, but... yeah.

Well that's not a problem with me. Since Christmas isn't occurring at my house and the entire family knows it, they pretty much leave us alone. We just drive the two hours to spend a day with them and give gifts to the kids. No drama, though I do worry a little bit this year as my about-to-be three year old daughter is aware of Santa for the first time and she clearly understands he isn't real.
 
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I am actually very familiar with the history of Jesus and the manipulation, as it were, of the dates to coincide with the pagan rituals of the time that have lead to our societal concept of Christmas today. I have done a great deal of reading on the history of the formation of the church and I am fascinated by all the trappings of the various happenings and the building of the Roman Catholic church.

My personal opinion, read not my wife's family, is that the whole gift giving concept is ridiculous. Giving comes from the heart and in many forms, and not always of a physical nature. Even today when all of her siblings are roughly 50 they want to exchange adult gifts. Oh boy each of us gets to buy a guys gift. What is the point of this? My druthers would be just get together have some nice eats, share a nice glass of scotch and a good cigar with the gents and enjoy each others company. Much like as you said Grad, a Thanksgiving scenario. This is kind of what happens when my family occasionally straggles together from parts around the country.
 
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Well that's not a problem with me. Since Christmas isn't occurring at my house and the entire family knows it, they pretty much leave us alone. We just drive the two hours to spend a day with them and give gifts to the kids. No drama, though I do worry a little bit this year as my about-to-be three year old daughter is aware of Santa for the first time and she clearly understands he isn't real.

No one said it was a problem with you. Its not your fault Bri is getting hassled.
 
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I love Christmas. It was cool and all, but now that I have a kid, it's pretty fun. The best part...I downloaded a pic of Santa on my phone and attached it to the local "time and temp" automated number. When the kid asks like an asshole, I show her the screen on my phone as I "call Santa". :lol:

Never thought I would follow Buckyle for parental advice but... duly noted for future endeavors.
 
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I just feel this needs to be posted.

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