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If Pats cheated in SB XXXVI: 1 year suspension for Belichick

Gatorubet;1083883; said:
Yeah - every f-ing coach in the league puts something over their mouths when they calls plays because they're afraid of swallowing flies. :roll1:

OK, point of rolling the eyes being....what? I was basically saying that the NFL doesn't want to have to break a "scandal" involving Bellichick because then all the more popular coaches will be exposed...your resonse indicates you seem to agree with the fact it's probably a widespread problem, so....???
 
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WTF?

SI.com - NFL - Goodell tells Specter that Pats have taped since '00 - Wednesday February 13, 2008 8:45PM

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said

"I didn't know it was illegal"
"Ok, that's good enough for me. Here's a slap on the wrist"

:roll1: :roll1:
 
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This is making it's way towards the homestrech in the race to circusville.

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Walsh's lawyer asks NFL for protection

NEW YORK (AP) - The lawyer for former New England Patriots employee Matt Walsh said his client is willing to turn over videotapes he made for the team if the NFL guarantees Walsh protection from lawsuits or other legal action.

Attorney Michael Levy said that to date, the NFL's initial proposals are not sufficient protection for Walsh, who is said to have taped the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough practice the day before they played the Patriots in the 2002 Super Bowl. The Patriots won 20-17.
Under our proposal, Mr. Walsh is only protected if he in good faith is truthful. And he will be," Levy told The Associated Press on Friday in a telephone interview from his office at the Washington law firm of McKee Nelson.
"The NFL's proposal is not full indemnification. It is highly conditional and still leaves Mr. Walsh vulnerable. I have asked the NFL to provide Mr. Walsh with the necessary legal protections so that he can come forward with the truth without fear of retaliation and litigation. To best serve the interest of the public and everyone involved, I am hopeful that the NFL will do so promptly."

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Ex-Ram files $100M suit against Patriots

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A lawsuit filed Friday by a former St. Louis Rams player and others seeks millions of dollars in damages from the alleged taping of Rams practices by the New England Patriots before the 2002 Super Bowl.

The Patriots won the game 20-17 in the Superdome.
 
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The NFL and Walsh are negotiating over to what extent the NFL will indemnify Walsh. The NFL wants it to be limited to "truthful disclosures," while Walsh wants it to extend to untruthful disclosures so long as they aren't made in bad faith. While it may seem like Walsh is asking for permission to lie, I think PFT sums up the real issue pretty well:

In this case, a reasonable reading of the indemnity language exchanged by the parties could cause a reasonable person to believe that the NFL and/or the Patriots are prepared to label anything and everything Walsh says as untruthful, even if he genuinely and in good faith believes his statement. Indeed, the Pats already have denied flatly any cheating in conjunction with Super Bowl XXXVI. So if Walsh says that he videotaped the Rams' walk-through (and if he doesn't have the tape to back it up), his version would instantly be called "untruthful" by the entity whose interests would be most clearly affected if what Walsh says is true.

In our view, "good faith" is the key. Walsh is willing to sacrifice indemnity upon a finding that any alleged untruthfulness was the product of bad faith on his part. In other words, he can be sued -- successfully -- if there's a finding that his statements to Senator Specter are made in bad faith. It's not full indemnity, and it exposes Walsh to litigation based on a contention that he's a disgruntled employee who stole sensitive materials in the hopes of later selling them to other teams, blackmailing the Patriots, and/or simply causing trouble when the opportunity to do so ever might arise.

But he would be shielded from a pissing match over who's right and who's wrong, with the NFL and/or the Pats potentially taking the position that if Walsh is simply incorrect it necessarily means that he's lying, and thus exposed to liability for his words, or his past actions in retaining club property.
The NFL needs to stop this crap and show that it is serious. Give Walsh indemnity for everything absent bad faith lying.
 
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methomps;1093950; said:
The NFL and Walsh are negotiating over to what extent the NFL will indemnify Walsh. The NFL wants it to be limited to "truthful disclosures," while Walsh wants it to extend to untruthful disclosures so long as they aren't made in bad faith. While it may seem like Walsh is asking for permission to lie, I think PFT sums up the real issue pretty well:

The NFL needs to stop this crap and show that it is serious. Give Walsh indemnity for everything absent bad faith lying.

I agree with methomps. I am sick of teams breaking rules to win and then creating legal obstacles so that they do not have to testify. Teams and the leagues they play in should indemnify or otherwise find some way to make sure whistleblowers and those called to testify can do so.
 
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Just awesome:
The Enquirer - Lawsuit: Pay up, Patriots

Lawsuit: Pay up, Patriots
Two N.Ky. attorneys claim 2002 Super Bowl spying
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Two Northern Kentucky lawyers, a Cincinnati ticket broker and a former University of Kentucky football player have filed a lawsuit that accuses the New England Patriots of cheating in the 2002 Super Bowl and asks for refunds.
The Patriots and coach Bill Belichick illegally videotaped a St. Louis Rams walk-though before the game to gain an unfair advantage, according to their lawsuit filed Friday in U.S. District Court in New Orleans, host city of the game. The Patriots upset the Rams 20-17 on a last-second field goal.
Patriots spokesman Stacey James said he had heard of the suit but declined to comment on it.
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Through the lawsuit, broker Kevin Hacker, who attended the Super Bowl, asked the federal court to grant the 72,922 people in the stands at the Superdome a full refund. At a face value of $400 per ticket, that would mean the NFL would have to return $29,168,800.
? Should Pats be sued over Super Bowl XXXVI?

Willie Gary, who played on the Rams' Super Bowl team and at UK, wants each member of the Rams' Super Bowl roster to receive $25,000 - the difference between the bonuses paid to the losing team and the winning team.
Gary, who lives in Atlanta and plays Arena Football, also wants compensation for not receiving a Super Bowl XXXVI ring, which sell for $125,000 on eBay, according to the suit.
For 45 players, the difference in bonuses and the value of the rings would be $6,750,000.
The plaintiffs' attorneys - Eric Deters of Independence and Hugh Campbell Jr. of Villa Hills, along with John Young of New Orleans - have asked that the suit be granted class-action status. The three lawyers allege the Patriots committed numerous crimes, including fraud, racketeering and breach of contract, in addition to violating Louisiana's unfair trade practices and consumer protection act.
Deters and Campbell are also seeking to triple the damages in the suit under civil racketeering laws.
"We don't want to try this or settle this through the press," Campbell said, "but I would like to communicate there is ways we can get this resolved."
He said the NFL needs to intervene, restore fan confidence in the league and show that cheating "has been nipped in the bud."
Campbell said that will entail Belichick being suspended, at a minimum, and the parties getting together to resolve the case without years of litigation.
Also named as plaintiffs are Missouri residents Peter Trout, a Rams season-ticket holder, and Marcus Miller, who attended Super Bowl XXXVI. Trout claims in the suit that his license for season tickets became less valuable when the Rams lost the Super Bowl.
The NFL caught the Patriots cheating in September. A Patriots employee was videotaping signals by New York Jets coaches. Belichick was fined $500,000 and his team was ordered to pay $250,000. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up its next first-round draft choice.
The idea for the suit came to Campbell, a self-described lifelong NFL fan, after watching this year's Super Bowl and talking with acquaintances about rumors that the Patriots cheat.
During Super Bowl week, the Boston Herald reported that the Patriots had taped the Rams. Citing an anonymous source, the newspaper said a member of the Patriots' video staff taped the Rams' last walk-through practice by staying in the Louisiana Superdome after the team's picture.
Campbell said he found spying on the Jets "crazy," but when he learned of the alleged spying on the Rams, he began to think there might be grounds for a lawsuit.
The suit states the Patriots violated the rule that "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game."
The suit claims the Patriots routinely taped opponents' defensive signals from the sidelines, as it was caught doing against the Jets, to decode the communications and file them for future games.
In the suit, Kurt Warner, quarterback for the Rams in the 2002 Super Bowl, said that if the Patriots' coaches knew the defensive signals, they could pass information to the quarterback through the headset in his helmet.
Warner is quoted in the suit stating he remembers little of the walk-through other than that the offense ran some of its red zone plays, or offensive plays within 20 yards of the opponent's goal.
The Rams had seven plays inside the Patriots' 30-yard line in the final quarter of the Super Bowl. At one point, the Patriots stopped the Rams on four successive plays inside the 3-yard line.
Deters said a meeting Thursday between U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter and Goodell bolsters the claims made in the lawsuit.
The New York Times reported Friday that Specter was informed that Belichick probably videotaped opposing sidelines for most of his head-coaching career and the NFL had destroyed evidence of cheating dating to 2002.
"We believe that the NFL definitely has culpability in light of the recent acknowledgment by ... Goodell to Senator Specter that Belichick admitted they have been videotaping teams since 2002," Deters said. "We are consciously not naming the NFL as a defendant at this time in the hopes and belief it shows good will on our part to convince the NFL they should intervene on everyone's behalf to encourage the Patriots to resolve this matter as soon as possible."
Specter, the ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, also told the Times that the league is investigating Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant who worked for the team during the 2002 Super Bowl.
Deters and Campbell said they would like to speak with Walsh. He and Campbell have not been able to contact Walsh, who has not worked for the Patriots since 2003 and lives in Hawaii.
"I would love for our first subpoena to go out as soon as possible and that would be to Matt Walsh in Hawaii," Campbell said. "My close second would be Bill Belichick."
 
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Notre Dame is the one who should be suing the living fuck out of somebody.

The Pats stole defensive signals and walk throughs and by the advantage they gained it made a certain fat fuck of an offensive coordinator look like a genius.

ND, the injured party here, then pays through the nose for a false bill of goods. Only to find out that without prior knowledge of what the other teams is going to run on defense said fat fuck of an offensive coordinator can't get 11 guys to excute the snap or the forward pass.

In stead of blaming it all on Ty Willingham they should switch strategies and blame it on all the Pats imo.
 
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