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Immunizations/Vaccinations

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How do you stand on immunizations/vaccinations?

  • For.

    Votes: 50 84.7%

  • Against.

    Votes: 3 5.1%

  • Indifferent/Other.

    Votes: 6 10.2%
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BUCKYLE;1114155; said:
The "risks" incurred by the rest of the vaccinated populace make the risks against vaccination even remotely acceptable to you. If no one else vaccinated their children, the risk of actually contracting polio would outweigh the risk of the vaccination.
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I don't agree as I don't feel that vaccinations are the only cause that have induced the effect of little-to-no disease epidemics.

Buckyle said:
Everyone else risks their child contracting polio from the vaccine so that you can feel comfortable not doing it. That's kind of fucked up.
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And every child that gets vaccinated from polio can still contract it or give it to someone else. That, to me, is "fucked up".
 
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sandgk;1114161; said:
I believe that risk assessment is an appropriate lens through which to view medical decisions like whether or not to immunize / vaccinate children. I should, as that risk assessment is itself part of the review of efficacy of a planned immunization or vaccination protocol - before it falls into the parent's lap (or their child's doctor) to decide on recommendation of such disease preventive measures.

Which leads to the simplest of Ocham's Razors -

Which is riskier --
Avoiding the use of vaccines or immunizations - OR
Implementing vaccines and immunizations as part of the child's pediatric medical regimen?

The answer to that is clear, based on history of childhood disease, and death, prior to the availability of such preventive medical regimens. Thus it does not fall in favor of the former action.
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Well stated post.

As to the conclusion drawn, I find the timing of personal hygiene and municipal sanitary and water systems to coincide quite well with the reduction in diseases as well. Thus, IMO, vaccines are not the sole benefactor of being deemed the end-all-be-all of providing defense against diseases.
 
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BUCKYLE;1114163; said:
I didn't think the polio vaccine was synthetic. I'm no biologist, but I thought it was just a weakend form of the virus. Therefore, it's just giving the human body a cheat sheet to build antibodies from. Am I wrong here?
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BuckeyeMike80;1114247; said:
It appears (at least in the Wiki page, I don't have time for a more through search) that the vaccine is attenuated virus and/or dead virus (depending on which one they use)....

Polio vaccine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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My apologies to the two of your for my poorly chosen word in a time of rushing.

In an attempt to clarify, I meant to say that the human body, IMO, has enough inherent defenses to withstand diseases (i.e. render them non-lethal). Don't know if that helps on clarifying what I meant.
 
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muffler dragon;1114588; said:
Well stated post.

As to the conclusion drawn, I find the timing of personal hygiene and municipal sanitary and water systems to coincide quite well with the reduction in diseases as well. Thus, IMO, vaccines are not the sole benefactor of being deemed the end-all-be-all of providing defense against diseases.
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I think the precipitous decline in polio and eradication of smallpox indicate that vaccination plays an enormous role.

Recorded cases
1975: 49,293
1980: 52,552
1985: 38,637
1990: 23,484
1995: 7,035
2000: 2,971
2005: 1,998
 
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methomps;1114672; said:
I think the precipitous decline in polio and eradication of smallpox indicate that vaccination plays an enormous role.

Recorded cases
1975: 49,293
1980: 52,552
1985: 38,637
1990: 23,484
1995: 7,035
2000: 2,971
2005: 1,998
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Just for something from the other side of the coin:

Mary Tocco -- An Overview on the Polio Vaccine

?According to the World Health Statistics Annual of 1973-1976 said that there had been a steady decline in infectious diseases in most developing countries regardless of vaccines administered. They believe that the diseases disappeared as a result of improved sanitation, improved water supplies improved personal hygiene and better nutrition. In addition, diseases for which there were no vaccines also declined dramatically. From 1850 to 1940, diseases had declined by 90% and were at an all time low, just when vaccines were being introduced.?
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Another great study that comes up with the same conclusion, Medical Measures and the Decline of Mortality by , St. Martin?s Press, New York states ?It is estimated that at most, 3.5% of the total decline in mortality since 1900 could be ascribed to medical measures introduced for the diseases considered.? Furthermore, medical measures were introduced several decades after marked decline had already set in and having no detectable influences in most instances.?
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The American Medical Association and the Center for Disease Control have taken credit for eradicating diseases in the United States when in fact; they were on their way out because of previously stated reasons. Small pox is often referred to as the ?great success story? and yet the vaccine had very little to do with eradication. Only 10% of the world?s population received the vaccine. In a June 19-20, 2002 meeting in Atlanta Georgia after 911 when the government was debating to bring back the small pox vaccine, the Advisory Committee on Immunizations Practice said, ?Small pox would have died out on its own due to improved sanitation, improved water supply and improved nutrition.?
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And regarding the Polio vaccine in particular:

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]It is known that the live polio vaccine contained SV40, a cancer-producing virus and for the first time a hearing was held in Washington on September 9, 2003 by the Subcommittee on Human Health and Wellness, U.S. Government Reform Committee Chaired by Congressman Burton (R-IN). SV40 is associated with brain, bone and lung tumors found in children and adults today from vaccinations. This vaccine was used until the late 90?s.​
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Previously in Washington on August 3, 1999 at a Polio Vaccine Hearing by the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight and House of Representatives, the following testimony was not reported in the evening news! I have met Dr. Howard Urnovitz on several occasions when he has presented the results of his research. He has dedicated his life to cancer research and vaccines. Here is a portion of his written testimony: ?I am grateful to this committee for allowing me to address the issue of vaccine safety. I am Dr. Howard B. Urnovitz. In 1979, I received my doctorate degree in Microbiology and Immunology from the University of Michigan, where I studied vaccines. I am testifying today as the Scientific Director of the Chronic Illness Research Foundation. For the record, I am also the chief science officer of a biotechnology corporation. On the issue of informed consent: Had my mother and father known that the polio virus vaccines of the 1950s were heavily contaminated with more than 26 monkey viruses, including the cancer virus SV40, I can say with certainty that they would not have allowed their children and themselves to take those vaccines. Both of my parents might not have developed cancers suspected of being vaccine-related, and might even be alive today. Government, industry, and medicine should embrace the ethical principle of informed consent about possible adverse reactions associated with vaccines.?​
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