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I have an answer but want to hear some differing opinions.
I have an answer but want to hear some differing opinions.
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DiHard
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taken over by whackos...
one of my life-long friends (since age six) family moved to america from pakistan in 1970.......they are islamic and are the most decent, deeply religious, wonderful people you can ever meet...
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one of my life-long friends (since age six) family moved to america from pakistan in 1970.......they are islamic and are the most decent, deeply religious, wonderful people you can ever meet...
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I don't think it's fair to judge a group, any group, by the extremists. I wouldn't want Chrisitanity judged by the Fawell/Roberts/etc wing. I'm fairly certain that the majority of Muslims aren't about bombing people.
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BuckeyeSkins
Go Bucks/Hail to the Redskins!!
Can't leave out Baker, Falwell and Schwiegert either.
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DaytonBuck
I've always liked them
the biggest thing that makes Islam look bad is that it's never undergone process to modernize it's views
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BuckBackHome
Wolverine is largest member of weasel family
I don't think I would say it has been taken over by wackos, just that wackos are doing terrible things in the name of the religion. My understanding of Islam is that is a pretty peaceful religion, but you always have zealots. You cannot judge Catholicism based on the insanity of the later Crusades.
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NorthShoreBuck
True Madness Requires Significant Intelligence
I think Dayton may be on to something. I would go as far as to suggest that their cultural, social, political and educational ways may need to be "modernized" some.
I am in the same boat as many of you. I have worked with or known many people of the muslim faith. They seem to very peaceful and respectful. The zealots give the entire religion a bad name.
I am in the same boat as many of you. I have worked with or known many people of the muslim faith. They seem to very peaceful and respectful. The zealots give the entire religion a bad name.
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DaytonBuck
I've always liked them
I had a Islam class for GEC here at OSU and the prof talked about the fact that christianity had a reformation (I hope I'm getting that right, just smoked a blunt) as did Judiasm. However Islam has never anything that reformed and modernized it's tennats. It would be like if the christianity of the crusades was still the same today.
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ashlandbuck
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There is a huge difference between extremist in the Christian world and those in the Islamic world.
A Christian may not want to be judged by the actions of Oral Roberts, but what is that when compared to the actions of many militant muslims?
I'm sure there are many peaceful muslims but there are many militant muslims that are right now the cause of so many of the problems in the world.
They have a history of terror and of killing innocent people to achieve goals that could be reached through peaceful negotiations. Instead they have turned time and time again for the past half century to killing and terrorizing whole groups of citizens for various reasons. They've killed thousands of Jews soley on religious and property issues.
They have now targeted Americans and again, thousands have died for no other reason then we support Israel and because Americans are so-called "infadels".
There are certainly cases in which People that claim to be Christains have caused the deaths of innocent people. But these are much more isolated incidents. The wacko Christains that have caused harm have never and will never be of the scope and magnitude of the current hatred that fills the hearts of so many Muslims.
The Muslim religion is as I see it, a horrible scourge that will effect mankind for the worse for many years to come.
A mainstream Christian belief is that the final battle of the world as we know it, will take place in the middle east. As events continue to unfold, it is easy to see how possible this would be.
There is a huge difference between extremist in the Christian world and those in the Islamic world.
A Christian may not want to be judged by the actions of Oral Roberts, but what is that when compared to the actions of many militant muslims?
I'm sure there are many peaceful muslims but there are many militant muslims that are right now the cause of so many of the problems in the world.
They have a history of terror and of killing innocent people to achieve goals that could be reached through peaceful negotiations. Instead they have turned time and time again for the past half century to killing and terrorizing whole groups of citizens for various reasons. They've killed thousands of Jews soley on religious and property issues.
They have now targeted Americans and again, thousands have died for no other reason then we support Israel and because Americans are so-called "infadels".
There are certainly cases in which People that claim to be Christains have caused the deaths of innocent people. But these are much more isolated incidents. The wacko Christains that have caused harm have never and will never be of the scope and magnitude of the current hatred that fills the hearts of so many Muslims.
The Muslim religion is as I see it, a horrible scourge that will effect mankind for the worse for many years to come.
A mainstream Christian belief is that the final battle of the world as we know it, will take place in the middle east. As events continue to unfold, it is easy to see how possible this would be.
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BuckeyeBeliever
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I agree, but probably for different reasonsashlandbuck said:
Be well Ashland(Student there?) my ex went to Ashland "College", great school.
IMHO Islam has people running around proclaiming to be Islam, but are not. The religion, altough different, is a peaceful one.
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Much of what Muslim extremists are doing runs counter to the Koran. However, there are many statements in the Koran that support death and hatred towards infidels. You will be hard pressed to find comparable statements in the Christian Bible or the holy book of any other major religion (with the possible exception of references in the Bhagavad Gita to the treatment of Wolverines).
That said, I would agree that it is extremists who are making liberal interpretations of what consitutes an infidel and what actions are appropriate in defense of Islam. At the same time I would not argue that the average 'peace loving' Muslim who follows the Koran will interpret and react to current events in the same way as the average 'peace loving' Christian following the Bible. When Muslims thorughtout the world can watch videos on Aljazeera of Americans firing rockets at Mosques and see pictures of dead Iraqi children it is not difficult for them to be persuaded just who the infidels are and the threat they pose.
Children kicking the helmet of a dead US soldier as though it were a soccer ball, and celebrating as they do so, is not a sign that our battle is limited to a small minority of Muslims.
Daytonbuck has a good point about 'reformations'. The Muslims once ruled much of the known world and threatened Europe. It was the unwillingness of their holy men to adopt modern way that lead to their decline. The use of modern aircraft to attack skyscrapers and the quest for biological and nuclear weapons would indicate that Muslim extremists are no longer troubled by this issue. This is not a people who accept their plight as second class citizens of the modern world willingly. The longer it appears that Muslim extremists can stand toe to toe with the mighty Americans more Muslims who will believe this is a cause worh getting involved in.
Do not take lightly anyone who stops five times a day to pray.
That said, I would agree that it is extremists who are making liberal interpretations of what consitutes an infidel and what actions are appropriate in defense of Islam. At the same time I would not argue that the average 'peace loving' Muslim who follows the Koran will interpret and react to current events in the same way as the average 'peace loving' Christian following the Bible. When Muslims thorughtout the world can watch videos on Aljazeera of Americans firing rockets at Mosques and see pictures of dead Iraqi children it is not difficult for them to be persuaded just who the infidels are and the threat they pose.
Children kicking the helmet of a dead US soldier as though it were a soccer ball, and celebrating as they do so, is not a sign that our battle is limited to a small minority of Muslims.
Daytonbuck has a good point about 'reformations'. The Muslims once ruled much of the known world and threatened Europe. It was the unwillingness of their holy men to adopt modern way that lead to their decline. The use of modern aircraft to attack skyscrapers and the quest for biological and nuclear weapons would indicate that Muslim extremists are no longer troubled by this issue. This is not a people who accept their plight as second class citizens of the modern world willingly. The longer it appears that Muslim extremists can stand toe to toe with the mighty Americans more Muslims who will believe this is a cause worh getting involved in.
Do not take lightly anyone who stops five times a day to pray.
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