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Jersey / Uniform Discussion (OSU)

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Right. The fact that OSU has worn alternates against Michigan a number of times is pretty sound evidence they'd never wear black alternates against em. Well reasoned, well played.

We've never worn them again Purdue either. Or Indiana... or Minnesota... or Nebraska, or LSU, or Texas, or Tulane, or Hawaii... They must all be as big of rivals as Michigan then? Yeah, your logic is sound.
 
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Remember back in 2006 when Iowa went "black out" on us? We killed them and afterwards, Troy Smith said he loved the black out because it felt like the stands looked empty. We all said "Stupid Iowa, why would you go all black and make things look empty with the night sky? Ohio State would never do something that dumb." Yeah, I remember that.... stupid Iowa...
 
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We've never worn them again Purdue either. Or Indiana... or Minnesota... or Nebraska, or LSU, or Texas, or Tulane, or Hawaii... They must all be as big of rivals as Michigan then? Yeah, your logic is sound.


Have it backwards. They've worn them against the likes of Clemson, VT, Wisconsin, maybe PSU? So the argument you'd be making is that they are rivals like UM.
 
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Ya know; when you look at sports photos - even years after the event, perhaps in a book, or posted on a social net site, or a TV flashback, you instantly KNOW when the picture involves the Yankees or the Dodgers. You know when it involves the Packers, Bears or Cowboys. You know when it involves Michigan, USC or Alabama. Good programs - even ones that have been mediocre for a period of time - understand that continuity is an important aspect of brand recognition and that over the long haul continuity pays dividends. They understand that their "brand" strengthens their ties to fans and I would presume to prospective athletes.

I'm trying to imagine a kid who would turn down a chance to play for any one of those teams I mentioned because they won't turn their "brand" over to Nike, Under Armor, Champion et al once or twice a year.

I spent the weekend with friends in a Hocking Hills cabin (more about that on another post). We switched channels to watch the end of Tennessee - Georgia and the first question out of the mouths of two people were, "Who is Georgia playing?" The volunteers were wearing underwear gray uniforms with orange trim. If I were ol' Smokey I'd have lifted my leg and pissed on those ugly things.
 
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I see what you mean on the vols uniforms but I didn't think the vols looked bad and at least the smokey grey has relevance to the programs (smokey mountains, smokey the dog..).

Black makes no sense for us in terms of color.

It's one game, we'll get over it.
 
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Ya know; when you look at sports photos - even years after the event, perhaps in a book, or posted on a social net site, or a TV flashback, you instantly KNOW when the picture involves the Yankees or the Dodgers. You know when it involves the Packers, Bears or Cowboys. You know when it involves Michigan, USC or Alabama. Good programs - even ones that have been mediocre for a period of time - understand that continuity is an important aspect of brand recognition and that over the long haul continuity pays dividends. They understand that their "brand" strengthens their ties to fans and I would presume to prospective athletes.

I'm trying to imagine a kid who would turn down a chance to play for any one of those teams I mentioned because they won't turn their "brand" over to Nike, Under Armor, Champion et al once or twice a year.

I spent the weekend with friends in a Hocking Hills cabin (more about that on another post). We switched channels to watch the end of Tennessee - Georgia and the first question out of the mouths of two people were, "Who is Georgia playing?" The volunteers were wearing underwear gray uniforms with orange trim. If I were ol' Smokey I'd have lifted my leg and pissed on those ugly things.
:lol: yeah....Ohio State and Tennessee are in danger of losing their brand recognition.
 
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How did I get roped into making any argument whatever? I certainly don't think there is any evidence that OSU has only worn alternates against "rivals" and there is, likewise, no evidence that Ohio State only wears alternates against opponents who are not rivals, but are considered a "big game" opponent.

The original remark I responded to was trying to make the case that OSU wouldn't wear black alternates against scUM. I pointed out that OSU has indeed worn alternate v. scUM.
I was just trying to correct the point he was trying to make. I don't think you were trying to state that either.
 
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:lol: yeah....Ohio State and Tennessee are in danger of losing their brand recognition.
Miss the point if you chose. Since the 1920s Ohio State has worn scarlet or white jerseys. A year from now a ten second flash back of a fantastic play by a Buckeye will elicit the same response from anyone not intimately familiar with the program, "Oh that's Penn State, who's the other team?" The day after this game people - many of them ex-pats living away from Ohio - will pick up a paper or go on line and see two teams, one in their traditional uniform and the other wearing something you'd expect to see from Rutgers, Cincinnati or Texas tech.

The use of scarlet and white jerseys since the 20s, gray or silver helmets since 1952, has built a national identity. You see the helmet and you instantly know - hey, that's Ohio State.

Laugh at Michigan and their "wanged helmet" all you want, but it's probably the most successful recognition factor in college football.

Finally, the other point you missed is this: both people I referenced in my previous message instantly recognized Georgia because they were in a traditional uniform for their program. that's the value of a "brand."
 
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Miss the point if you chose. Since the 1920s Ohio State has worn scarlet or white jerseys. A year from now a ten second flash back of a fantastic play by a Buckeye will elicit the same response from anyone not intimately familiar with the program, "Oh that's Penn State, who's the other team?" The day after this game people - many of them ex-pats living away from Ohio - will pick up a paper or go on line and see two teams, one in their traditional uniform and the other wearing something you'd expect to see from Rutgers, Cincinnati or Texas tech.

The use of scarlet and white jerseys since the 20s, gray or silver helmets since 1952, has built a national identity. You see the helmet and you instantly know - hey, that's Ohio State.

Laugh at Michigan and their "wanged helmet" all you want, but it's probably the most successful recognition factor in college football.

Finally, the other point you missed is this: both people I referenced in my previous message instantly recognized Georgia because they were in a traditional uniform for their program. that's the value of a "brand."
I seriously doubt your first paragraph. Nobody is going to question who it is that is wearing these black jerseys for more than 3 seconds unless they're a casual fan. And guess what....the powers that be don't give a shit about casual fans. Nobody cares that 2 random people weren't smart enough to look at the giant creamsicle orange T on the field, or the checkered endzones, or the scoreboard that said TEN to figure out that Georgia is playing Tennessee.

This brand crap is just a lazy excuse for people who just don't want Ohio State to wear black for some ridiculous reason. It's a uniform. It doesn't matter, other than it sells a lot of jersey's for Nike and it gets the younger generation excited about something.

To me, Pokemon is fucking dumb. But the stupid kids like it to the point where it's a billion dollar industry. Who cares?
 
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"It's stupid and I don't like it."

"Back in my day, we gave a crap about tradition. Today's kids are stupid."

"Who cares if the people wearing them like them. They don't matter. What my grandfather liked is what matters."

"WE'RE NOT OREGON, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!!11!!"

"We won't be able to tell who PSU is playing on a field that says Ohio State. OMG."

Will this conversation ever end?
 
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