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Leinart And Other Thoughts

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Well, after his performance and Reggie Bushs' performance, I think Archies record is safe for another year at least. For all the lovin' that Leinart gets, I thought he was below average in the ND game. He missed passes all day long, even before he got the bell rung. Too high, too low, behind receivers, he had them all. Every time I've watched SC, he doesn't feel much pressure, so he has all day to lob those passes to the guys. It seems that they have alot of yac for him.

I wondered how he would react when getting pressured and hit by a great defense. I'm not sure ND's is that defense but they clearly made him look below average. I don't want to hear about that great 4th and long play either. That pass was off as well.

If SC finishes the season undefeated and has to face a great defense like Texas or VT, I think they very well could lose. It sure would be a great game.

If I'm an NFL gm, no way am I taking Leinart first, not after Saturday. He'll feel heat every week from NFL defenses and I'm starting to think he really may be overrated. Is he going to follow other former SC lefties into the NFL and become like Paul McDonald and Todd Marinovich? Probably not, but I wouldn't take the chance on him. Too many qb's that were great in college have stunk in the NFL. The latest being Joey Harrington.


If LLoyd Carr had any brains (i know), he'd make Mario Manningham the center of his offense. He's better than Breaston or Avant. Fortunately, we know Lloyd does not, so we have nothing to be concerned with. It's nice to see a local kid do well, even if it's at scUM, and especially when they have 3 losses.

This was one of the best college football weeks I can ever remember. Aside from T. Smith having the worst looking game ever by a qb that produced great stats, the last play of the 1st half, and much of the 2nd half of the OSU game was great. twelve sack by the D was fantastic. ND-SC game, PSU-scUM game and the Louisville-WVa. games were all great.And, it's always great to see FSU lose. CFB is the best.

Stanton played qb like it should be played: he looked off receivers, threw hard balls right on target, and made some great cross-field passes.

Is it possible that Troy Smiths size hinders him at being able to see well over the line and look to other receivers? Don't know.

Gonzo is too good not to touch the ball in 2 straight games.

Does Pittman pull the typical OSU rb performance this weekend against Indiana? They seem better this year.

We're halfway through the season and it's already getting me sick.


A radio host in Cleveland was saying Hawk is/was similar to Wilhelm and he's not starting yet in the NFL. He was more or less implying Hawk will be more like MW in the pros. Speed alone sets him apart, but Hawk has just had IT since he's been in Columbus. Not speed, but IT.
 
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A radio host in Cleveland was saying Hawk is/was similar to Wilhelm and he's not starting yet in the NFL. He was more or less implying Hawk will be more like MW in the pros. Speed alone sets him apart, but Hawk has just had IT since he's been in Columbus. Not speed, but IT.
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That radio guy's an assclown. Wilhelm got to roam behind that great 2002 D-line. Our D-line now is good, but nowhere near the level of 2002. Hawk does have IT, and will be a star in the NFL for years.

I thought I'd beat LJB to the punch on the 2002 D-line thing this time, so he doesn't have to sound like a broken record. :wink2:
 
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That radio guy's an assclown. Wilhelm got to roam behind that great 2002 D-line. Our D-line now is good, but nowhere near the level of 2002. Hawk does have IT, and will be a star in the NFL for years.

I thought I'd beat LJB to the punch on the 2002 D-line thing this time, so he doesn't have to sound like a broken record. :wink2:
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hmmm im not sold hawk will be an nfl star. i sure hope so but im having a hardtime seeing it. IMO carpenter has a better shot at the next level with his size.
 
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Wilhelm was good, but I thought he was the least talented of our AA players on that team. Hawk is getting heisman talk, and is able to overshadow a complete monster named Bobby Carpenter.
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hmmm im not sold hawk will be an nfl star. i sure hope so but im having a hardtime seeing it. IMO carpenter has a better shot at the next level with his size.
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how big does he have to be exactly? He looks pretty identical to James Ferrior, who is 6'2 and 243. Keith Brooking 6'2 and 245. Ted Bruschi 6'1 and 245. Those are 3 ILB's from recent pro bowls. AJ Hawk is 6'1 and 240+, and he's faster than many of the previously mentioned guys. Nobody is a lock to be a star, but his size is not going to be his downfall.
 
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hmmm im not sold hawk will be an nfl star. i sure hope so but im having a hardtime seeing it. IMO carpenter has a better shot at the next level with his size.
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wow. hawk not being good in the nfl is right up there on my list of concerns with the moon crashing into my house and the US falling off the earth.
 
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how big does he have to be exactly? He looks pretty identical to James Ferrior, who is 6'2 and 243. Keith Brooking 6'2 and 245. Ted Bruschi 6'1 and 245. Those are 3 ILB's from recent pro bowls. AJ Hawk is 6'1 and 240+, and he's faster than many of the previously mentioned guys. Nobody is a lock to be a star, but his size is not going to be his downfall.
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I hope he's just referencing the fact that Bobby has a bigger frame to work with. I could see Carp being a better version of this year's DeMarcus Ware (6'4, 255).

I wonder if some people worry that AJ won't be a star because he's not "flashy" enough. He doesn't seem to make as many big plays as Bobby does, but that's not his style and it's not true anyways. Consistency and agression gets it done very well, too.
 
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I hope he's just referencing the fact that Bobby has a bigger frame to work with. I could see Carp being a better version of this year's DeMarcus Ware (6'4, 255).
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thats a good point as well. he could play a will smith type role when he was at osu. carp has experience on pass coverage and has played as an outside rusher so he would be a good fit at 6'3" 255lbs
 
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AJ Hawk was able to contribute during the 2002 season in a major way when the injury bug came. He has been unbelieveable ever since. He has been put up on the highest pedestal in all of CFB, at least on defense, and has not failed to live up to that hype once.

If you have watched any highlight reels of Vince Young, you would realize how remarkable it was that Hawk was able to manhandle VY like that and wrench him to teh ground.

The kid is very fast, strong, disciplined, a great tackler, a great cover LBer, and has shut down tons of future NFL talent. Maybe he isn't as "flashy" as Bobby, but the kid is incredible.

Scouts would have taken him in the 1st round last year. That should tell you all you need to know about how he should do in the pros.

If Hawk can't be a star at the next level, than what MLB in CFB can be?
 
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Looking too closely at a guys "size" is why you get a Kumerow in the first round and a Spielman in the second.

A.J. Hawk will be a great Pro because he is a great football player. He's not as big as "Carp" but he's a better football player. THAT simple fact gets lost way too often in evaluating a player. It's why the Browns have drafted such LB legends as Mike Junkin and Clifford Charlton as top-10 picks.

"Can He Play The Game?" Keep it simple.
 
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Cowherd today was saying that if he had to choose today, he would Quinn over Leinart, and I don't know that I disagree (I like Stanton an awful lot tho). Put Leinart on ND's team, and how well do you think he does? That's exactly what will happen in 06 in the NFL, as it does with any top QB draft choice. I'm not convinced he will excel at the next level.
 
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Cowherd today was saying that if he had to choose today, he would Quinn over Leinart, and I don't know that I disagree (I like Stanton an awful lot tho). Put Leinart on ND's team, and how well do you think he does? That's exactly what will happen in 06 in the NFL, as it does with any top QB draft choice. I'm not convinced he will excel at the next level.
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He should have taken the money last year, instead of coming back for the ballroom dancing course. :biggrin:
 
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