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London Olympics: "We're pretty much ready..."

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BuckeyeMike80;2193246; said:
Yep Carl Lewis sucks too, as does Maurice Green and Donovan Bailey...they all suck, all hail [insert fastest sprinter currently running]
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So we're going from "they're not the greatest" to "they suck." Come on with that hyperbolic nonsense. They were great sprinters. Bolt is better. End of story.

scott91575;2193245; said:
I guess Jesse Owens just sucks then. He has been beat a ton of times in the last 70 years.

You have also destined Usain Bolt to obscurity at some point too. So why should we care. He is just going to be beat at some time in the future.
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Again, "obscurity" is a useless term in this discussion. Keep it level. Jesse Owens isn't obscure. Never will be. Carl Lewis isn't obscure. Never will be. IF someone ever does beat Usain Bolt's record, he won't be obscure. Such a ridiculous assertion.
 
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The dream team won by an average of 51.5 pts, the closest game being 38 pts. The gold medal game was 47 pts :lol:

This team is special too, but they would get destroyed in the post and at guard.

C - Chandler vs Robinson :slappy:
C - Davis vs Ewing :rofl:

PG - Paul vs Magic ... also not close.
PG - Westbrook vs Stockton. closer, still in 92's favor. Especially since Isaiah was turned down.

SG - Kobe vs Jordan ... :lol: In the NBA, Kobe has often looked the best thing since him. In London, he's been lousy.
SG - Williams vs Drexel ... :lol: Not even close.
SG - Harden vs Laettner ... eh.

PF Lebron vs Barkley ... Lebron has been possessed but Barkley did everything, even steals. Mild win for 2012.
PF Love vs Malone ... Close.

SF Durant vs Bird ... Bird shot 73% from the floor. Durant was more diverse. Tougher call.
SF Carmelo vs Pippen ... Carmelo with a lot better numbers.
SF Iguodala vs Mullins ... :lol:


David Robinson and Patrick Ewing would rip this team's guts out and that doesn't even cover what Jordan, Pippen, Bird and Barkley would do to them...
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Magic, Stockton, Malone & Drexler were sort of good also.

This olympic bball team is superb but it doesn't hold a candle to that lineup. Collegiate Shaq was turned down.
 
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OH10;2193248; said:
So because something is natural, that's a negative in this debate? Phelps is a natural as well. Look at his body type, length of arms, size of feet. He was identified as a prodigy at a young age.

And it does a disservice to Bolt to assume he hasn't put in work. What basis do you have for that? You think sprinters just wake up and go to an event?

The only generational gap in sprinting is in track type. To that end, it is hard to compare to Jesse Owens, who didn't run on the same track. But it's a stretch to think that the track makes that big of a difference when you look at the graphs of where Owens would finish compared to Bolt.

Training? I thought sprinters were just natural.

Equipment? Are you kidding? We're talking about shoes. Regardless of what Nike tries telling the world, shoes haven't made a difference (at least not in sprinting) in decades.

Sprinting is the most physically-based and objective sport in human history. If we can't call Bolt the greatest sprinter of all time, then we can't call anyone in any sport ever the greatest of all time.
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You really feel the need to have people agree with you about Bolt, don't you?
 
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jwinslow;2193252; said:
The dream team won by an average of 51.5 pts, the closest game being 38 pts. The gold medal game was 47 pts :lol:

This team is special too, but they would get destroyed in the post and at guard.

C - Chandler vs Robinson :slappy:
C - Davis vs Ewing :rofl:

PG - Paul vs Magic ... also not close.
PG - Westbrook vs Stockton. closer, still in 92's favor. Especially since Isaiah was turned down.

SG - Kobe vs Jordan ... :lol: In the NBA, Kobe has often looked the best thing since him. In London, he's been lousy.
SG - Williams vs Drexel ... :lol: Not even close.
SG - Harden vs Laettner ... eh.

PF Lebron vs Barkley ... Lebron has been possessed but Barkley did everything, even steals. Mild win for 2012.
PF Love vs Malone ... Close.

SF Durant vs Bird ... Bird shot 73% from the floor. Durant was more diverse. Tougher call.
SF Carmelo vs Pippen ... Carmelo with a lot better numbers.
SF Iguodala vs Mullins ... :lol:


Magic, Stockton, Malone & Drexler were sort of good also.

This olympic bball team is superb but it doesn't hold a candle to that lineup. Collegiate Shaq was turned down.
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Exactly my point.

Imagine what collegiate Shaq would do to this team.

And honestly, while Kevin Love is a beast, I think that time Karl Malone was anywhere between the 5th to 7th player in the league (Jordan, Magic, Ewing, Barkley, Dexler, Pippen, Malone) at times and that doesn't even include Olajuwon.... Kevin Love isn't that even in this current watered down NBA. And I don't agree with Marshmellow over Pippen either. Pippen's defensive skill would have offset any greater offensive abilities from Fatmelo.
 
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OH10;2193250; said:
So we're going from "they're not the greatest" to "they suck." Come on with that hyperbolic nonsense. They were great sprinters. Bolt is better. End of story.



Again, "obscurity" is a useless term in this discussion. Keep it level. Jesse Owens isn't obscure. Never will be. Carl Lewis isn't obscure. Never will be. IF someone ever does beat Usain Bolt's record, he won't be obscure. Such a ridiculous assertion.
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Since their times eliminate them from the talk of being the greatest sprinter and makes Bolt the best, then therefore they have been relegated to obscurity due to their times. You cannot use times as the basis for your argument and then ignore how using that as the basis of your argument has on the history of the sport. You have also destined Bolt to not be the best of all time considering the fact his records will probably be beat some time in the future.

You used times as the end all be all to the discussion. I am simply pointing out that is a poor argument, since if you do that you relegate past sprinters to obscurity (which you say they are not). Therefore your argument, by your own admission, is flawed.
 
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