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RCSooner1974 said:
OU was without their most explosive playmaker DeMarco Murray vs. Florida. Read between the lines, I said OU probably could have scored 40. Considering Chris Rix was the best throwing QB that '01 Miami faced all year, it wouldn't be farfetched to assume Sam Bradford would have had a modest game against that defense. Miami would have scored at will against our defense, but our offense would have performed well enough to turn the game into a shootout.

I'm basing this solely off opinion, but 2019 LSU was the best looking team I've seen in the last 15 years. It's not crazy to argue they could be the greatest of all time considering how dominant they were down the stretch vs. elite teams.
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Tua lit them up for 418 yards and four touchdowns, and he wasn't healthy. Najee was also completely unstoppable in that game. But because their offense is the stuff of legends, and because most people don't give a crap about defense, they are compared against a far more complete team like Miami.

they played really strong defense occasionally. You are choosing to only focus on the times they did so and not the many times where they played way below their potential.

In a one game scenario, would 2019 LSU at their best be a very interesting matchup against 01 Miami? Sure.

if you want to talk about who the best team was of all time, you don't get too conveniently isolate how they played from a conversation about great they played.

When 2015 Ohio State finally woke up they were an absolute monster and would beat most of the title teams from the past decade.; That has nothing to do with how great of a team they were because the rest of the time they sleep walked through the year with a wildly mismanaged Juggernaut of talent.

how great they should have been, and how great they be at their best in one game, has nothing to do with how great they actually were. That team had guys like Malik hooker who couldn't get on the field because there's too much talent in front of them. Or Curtis Samuel who still wouldn't be on the field in a 5 wide formation. And those were it Joe Burrow or Dwayne Haskins situations. They were known studs that simply had to wait their turn in limited minutes.
 
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jwinslow said:
It's not a coincidence to see the transformation in guys like Jalen Hurts or Tanner Morgan. Fields is far better than those two as a passer, but drop them into Miami's offense and he's not putting up the video game numbers he does in Day's system. The same thing goes for a guy like KJ Hill at receiver.
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It's remarkable how offenses have evolved over the past 15-20 years. Look at the JT Ohio State offenses. From 2001-2004(ish), they were a traditional two-back offense. 25 ppg, 350 ypg. Troy Smith comes along and suddenly, we adapt to what was then considered a "spread" offense. It seemed like any team with a "mobile" QB back then was considered a "spread" team. 2005-2006 saw tOSU morph into a more "spread" scheme. They weren't high powered offenses, by today's standards, but they were pretty good for the time:

2005: 422 ypg / 32.7 ppg (this offense started very slowly as Troy Smith was dealing with the fallout from his 2004 suspension, and he and J. Zwick split snaps for much of the first couple of games after he returned)
2006: 385 ypg / 34.6 ppg

That 2006 team was ranked #1 all season until the debacle in the desert. 385 ypg today is a very mediocre offense, but that offense was actually pretty efficient for the time. And Troy Smith won the Heisman (by the greatest margin ever at the time) with these numbers:

65.3% / 2542 yp / 8.2 ypa / 30 td / 6 int / 161.9 qbr // 204 yr, 1 td

Those are dime-a-dozen numbers for a QB today.

Jump forward a decade and offenses averaging 40 ppg and 500 ypg is commonplace. The mendoza-line for offenses nowadays seems to be approaching 35 ppg and 450 ypg. Anything below that, you're a sludgefart attack.

For reference, the 2000-2002 Hurricane offenses, stacked with elite players and NFL talent, put up the following:

2000: 461 ypg / 42.2 ppg
2001: 455 ypg / 42.7 ppg
2002: 466 ppg / 40.5 ppg

Those are pretty damn good (scoring, at least) by today's standards; in that era, that was elite.

CFB in 2020 and early-2000s are two different ballgames.
 
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jwinslow said:
Tua lit them up for 418 yards and four touchdowns, and he wasn't healthy. Najee was also completely unstoppable in that game. But because their offense is the stuff of legends, and because most people don't give a crap about defense, they are compared against a far more complete team like Miami.

they played really strong defense occasionally. You are choosing to only focus on the times they did so and not the many times where they played way below their potential.

In a one game scenario, would 2019 LSU at their best be a very interesting matchup against 01 Miami? Sure.

if you want to talk about who the best team was of all time, you don't get too conveniently isolate how they played from a conversation about great they played.

When 2015 Ohio State finally woke up they were an absolute monster and would beat most of the title teams from the past decade.; That has nothing to do with how great of a team they were because the rest of the time they sleep walked through the year with a wildly mismanaged Juggernaut of talent.

how great they should have been, and how great they be at their best in one game, has nothing to do with how great they actually were. That team had guys like Malik hooker who couldn't get on the field because there's too much talent in front of them. Or Curtis Samuel who still wouldn't be on the field in a 5 wide formation. And those were it Joe Burrow or Dwayne Haskins situations. They were known studs that simply had to wait their turn in limited minutes.
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That's because Alabama had 4-5 different receivers who were/will be drafted in the first round, as well as one of the best offensive lines in college football. Oh yeah, Jason White once won the Heisman on two bad knees but had help from Adrian Peterson, Mark Clayton and company.

LSU had to battle with a lack of experience from a lot of their players early on in the season. Guys like Patrick Queen and Derek Stingley didn't even start until then. '19 LSU vs '01 Miami in September would likely be a mismatch, however it would be an entirely different game in January with the game pretty much being a coin flip.

And yes, 2015 Ohio State was a superbly talented football team and I wouldn't go as far to say they were "mismanaged" but they did lack the heart and desire of the previous year's tOSU team that won it all. 2000 Oklahoma was full of walk-ons and JC transfers and had only one NFL worthy player in Roy Williams, but likely would have struggled against future championship winning teams from each year forward. Heck, I don't even know if they could have beaten the 2000 Hurricanes even though OU played much more dominantly against Florida State. 2008 Oklahoma with DeMarco Murray could have beaten Tim Tebow, Aaron Hernandez and the Gaytors but they lacked the swagger of previous OU teams that did actually win the championship. Another example is every Pete Carroll-coached USC team after 2003-04, they had the best talent in football but occasionally slipped up against the likes of Oregon State and Stanford.
 
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RCSooner1974 said:
That's because Alabama had 4-5 different receivers who were/will be drafted in the first round, as well as one of the best offensive lines in college football. Oh yeah, Jason White once won the Heisman on two bad knees but had help from Adrian Peterson, Mark Clayton and company.

LSU had to battle with a lack of experience from a lot of their players early on in the season. Guys like Patrick Queen and Derek Stingley didn't even start until then. '19 LSU vs '01 Miami in September would likely be a mismatch, however it would be an entirely different game in January with the game pretty much being a coin flip.

And yes, 2015 Ohio State was a superbly talented football team and I wouldn't go as far to say they were "mismanaged" but they did lack the heart and desire of the previous year's tOSU team that won it all. 2000 Oklahoma was full of walk-ons and JC transfers and had only one NFL worthy player in Roy Williams, but likely would have struggled against future championship winning teams from each year forward. Heck, I don't even know if they could have beaten the 2000 Hurricanes even though OU played much more dominantly against Florida State. 2008 Oklahoma with DeMarco Murray could have beaten Tim Tebow, Aaron Hernandez and the Gaytors but they lacked the swagger of previous OU teams that did actually win the championship. Another example is every Pete Carroll-coached USC team after 2003-04, they had the best talent in football but occasionally slipped up against the likes of Oregon State and Stanford.
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Their defense just wasn't good enough or dominant enough to make those comparisons imo.
You can keep writing all the paragraphs that you want, but 2019 LSU was an outstanding team on one side of the ball, and good enough to not lose on the other.
 
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RCSooner1974 said:
That's because Alabama had 4-5 different receivers who were/will be drafted in the first round, as well as one of the best offensive lines in college football. Oh yeah, Jason White once won the Heisman on two bad knees but had help from Adrian Peterson, Mark Clayton and company.

LSU had to battle with a lack of experience from a lot of their players early on in the season. Guys like Patrick Queen and Derek Stingley didn't even start until then. '19 LSU vs '01 Miami in September would likely be a mismatch, however it would be an entirely different game in January with the game pretty much being a coin flip.

And yes, 2015 Ohio State was a superbly talented football team and I wouldn't go as far to say they were "mismanaged" but they did lack the heart and desire of the previous year's tOSU team that won it all. 2000 Oklahoma was full of walk-ons and JC transfers and had only one NFL worthy player in Roy Williams, but likely would have struggled against future championship winning teams from each year forward. Heck, I don't even know if they could have beaten the 2000 Hurricanes even though OU played much more dominantly against Florida State. 2008 Oklahoma with DeMarco Murray could have beaten Tim Tebow, Aaron Hernandez and the Gaytors but they lacked the swagger of previous OU teams that did actually win the championship. Another example is every Pete Carroll-coached USC team after 2003-04, they had the best talent in football but occasionally slipped up against the likes of Oregon State and Stanford.
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what?
Stingley was a starter day 1.
Queen was a starter vast major of the season. Was starter down the stretch of 2018 too.

LSU’s issues most of the season was health especially in secondary (and Divinity suspensions).

We just couldn’t seem to get our best 11 all on field and healthy at same time for first two months of the year.

they came together late in year and became respectable.
Even at their peak, they weren’t at what i would consider typical LSU defense levels, let alone all-time great level.
 
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Nutriaitch said:
what?
Stingley was a starter day 1.
Queen was a starter vast major of the season. Was starter down the stretch of 2018 too.

LSU’s issues most of the season was health especially in secondary (and Divinity suspensions).

We just couldn’t seem to get our best 11 all on field and healthy at same time for first two months of the year.

they came together late in year and became respectable.
Even at their peak, they weren’t at what i would consider typical LSU defense levels, let alone all-time great level.
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Yes, you dealt with injuries too. But defense alone did not define 2019 LSU, for you had an offense that ranked among the all-time greatest.
 
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Speaking of reading comprehension, if you read my profile you’d see that I’m not from Oklahoma but rather “cerca de Mexico” (near Mexico) meaning I reside in a state along the border. If you look on a map, you’d see Oklahoma does not share a border with Mexico.
 
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RCSooner1974 said:
Speaking of reading comprehension, if you read my profile you’d see that I’m not from Oklahoma but rather “cerca de Mexico” (near Mexico) meaning I reside in a state along the border. If you look on a map, you’d see Oklahoma does not share a border with Mexico.
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Meh. Compared to Ohio, for one example, Oklahoma IS near Mexico. And apparently your border state didn’t teach reading comprehension either.
 
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