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Miller vs Pryor vs Smith

Bill Lucas;2217510; said:
True, but your point was that until Miller develops a stiff arm he's not in the same league as Pryor as a runner. I assert that he doesn't need a stiff arm because most of the time he leaves that one defender standing there with his jock in his hand while he is still running for more yards. Both are effective means to an end.

Yet again, Pryor was difficult to tackle because not only he had the SAOJ, but he also ran so fast, would-be tacklers took wrong angles. They both left defenders with their jocks in their hands.

But you're right, they are different. Pryor took off and it was off to the races. Miller could juke and make the hole then take off. That being said, I'd say that Pryor was a much better sideline runner, whereas Miller was better running up the middle. (one outruns the defenders, the other one makes the hole for himself)
 
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Coqui;2217522; said:
Yet again, Pryor was difficult to tackle because not only he had the SAOJ, but he also ran so fast, would-be tacklers took wrong angles. They both left defenders with their jocks in their hands.

But you're right, they are different. Pryor took off and it was off to the races. Miller could juke and make the hole then take off. That being said, I'd say that Pryor was a much better sideline runner, whereas Miller was better running up the middle. (one outruns the defenders, the other one makes the hole for himself)

Pryor rarely housed runs. It seems like Miller does it every game. You mention TP as a sideline runner...It seemed like he could ONLY run if he reached the sidelines.
 
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southcampus;2217526; said:
Pryor rarely housed runs. It seems like Miller does it every game. You mention TP as a sideline runner...It seemed like he could ONLY run if he reached the sidelines.

for the sake of the argument - they are completely different runners.

Brax is more like a running back when he's going down field. He has that type of mentality.

TP was more like a wide receiver.

their strides are completely different, their roles within the offense at the time are completely different as much as the offenses are different. Pryor under Meyer's system would have had more inside runs like Miller has this year.

the biggest difference is I think each player views his role differently within the offense and they played to that. Miller wants to break every play be it through the pass or through the run. Pryor was a "take what's there" type of player.

Both have been very effective at what they do, much like Troy was - Ohio State has been blessed with 4 Qbs in the last 5 that can move the chains with their feet as well as with their arms and in same cases have been able to use their feet to keep this team within the game (Krenzel especially).
 
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southcampus;2217526; said:
Pryor rarely housed runs. It seems like Miller does it every game. You mention TP as a sideline runner...It seemed like he could ONLY run if he reached the sidelines.

You are correct. Now lets compare the O-lines Pryor had vs the O-lines Miller had.
 
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I can't take Miller in a big game yet against guys like Pryor and Smith. He has enormous potential and could do things here that neither Smith nor Pryor were able to do, but he hasn't done them yet. He has made a lot of progression though and seems to get the job done when needed (Wisky last year, last weekend on the scoring drive to get the 28-21 lead) and I have a feeling he will develop into a kind of playmaker who will be able to complete scoring drives when necessary in big games.

Now, on to Pryor and Smith.

Smith, as far as I'm concerned, was a very good passer and a guy who, if he had been a in a more aggressive system, could've easily thrown for 3500 yards by the time he was in his senior year. He was a capable runner, not nearly as dangerous as many QBs seen in the past decade, but he could certainly burn you for a first down. Honestly I think that after '05, far too much was made of him trying to be a pocket passer, and he lost a huge aspect of his game which had always been picking up 50 yards a game scrambles and forcing Ds to spy on him and worry about him. He still did that on occasion in '06, but to me, he was almost too worried about making sure people saw him as a pocket passer and nothing else.

He was always up for TSUN games and will always be remembered for those. Unfortunately he will also always be remembered for the Fiesta Bowl and his terrible performance in the biggest game of his career. Personally I think that game was an aberration, the result of poor decision making and overconfidence, but the tape and statistics are better evidence in these types of discussion.

Pryor was never the passer Smith was, but the difference wasn't so enormous that it ends the discussion. Pryor wasn't the runner Miller is now, but he was learning a bit I think, as evidenced by multiple 50 yard runs in '10 and some good scrambles against Iowa. He wasn't excellent in either the area of passing or rushing, but he had a good combination of each, and combined with being a freak athlete and big enough to avoid sacks, he was a very dangerous and very good player.

He never faced a good TSUN team, in fact he faced the weakest three teams they have had for many many years, but his MVP Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl performances against good teams (better than ND '05) speak for themselves.

Overall I have to go with Pryor by a slim margin. His rushing ability is more stressing to a defense and his passing game was strong enough to force defenses to respect it. He was also able to come through with victories in the two biggest games of his career.
 
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This is just another depressing reminder at what a waste of talent Pryor was.... Amazing ability and potential that was squandered by poor judgement.


However, hopefully Braxton will continue to keep getting better as he has been and make us forget all about that.
 
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ScarletBlood31;2217932; said:
This is just another depressing reminder at what a waste of talent Pryor was.... Amazing ability and potential that was squandered by poor judgement.


However, hopefully Braxton will continue to keep getting better as he has been and make us forget all about that.

Or to put it another way, someday #10 will be retired and there will be a placard hanging from C deck with Smith written on it.
 
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Just thought about this and had to chuckle. How ridiculously spoiled are we as a fan base that we are essentially having an all time greatest discussion about two quarterbacks that played within the last decade when our current qb truly is blowing people's hair back and we aren't even discussing a guy that won us a national championship and another that took us to one.
 
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