New D1 Subdivision--the Beginning of the Split?

[Jaxbuck]

The academics/bureaucrats would obviously be against it because they are losing something but they are on the side against hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue and they are always going to be worked up about something so, might as well have the money and just deal with the next, inevitable, bitch fest from them.

Keep status quo = less money + special interest campus factions pissed off

Go to new league format (of whatever final composition) = more money + special interest campus factions pissed off

Why not just take the money for the inevitable headache?

 

[Mike80]

The academics/bureaucrats would obviously be against it because they are losing something but they are on the side against hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue and they are always going to be worked up about something so, might as well have the money and just deal with the next, inevitable, bitch fest from them.

Keep status quo = less money + special interest campus factions pissed off

Go to new league format (of whatever final composition) = more money + special interest campus factions pissed off

Why not just take the money for the inevitable headache?

They will.....principles are nice and all but when the money figures start getting thrown around, they'll be told to shut up and get in line.

It's about the $$$. Even the academic side, despite the screeching otherwise, is about the money.

Like I said, its inevitable.

 

[Steve19]

I guess we all will see.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

It's one more step to mirroring the NFL so it will probably happen. And it's one more step to driving away college football fans in a bid to grab NFL and other sports fans. Will it work financially? No clue. Will it help to erode what made college football my favorite sport in order to appeal to a larger market, absolutely.

Do you think NFL fans give a hoot? They don't. They don't care about Bama or USC or Syracuse. If they continue this way they won't appeal to any market. Nobody is going to tune in for the Dayton Dragons of the NFL that happens to play in Columbus.

 

[kujirakira]

I've never understood what the difference is between preparing a kid for a profession in an office vs a profession on the field. To me, they would still be Ohio State kids. But yeah, good luck selling that to the academic types.

It's more the pressure applied to give them rubber stamp grades.
I can't speak for every University, but the one i worked at.... they are not even competitive. They don't even belong in D1A. The rest of their sports are in a D1AA conference.
Yet the Professors are forced to give the players Cs for 0 effort. We had a RB and DL in our Engineering major (well known to be the easiest major in the Engineering school), and their Senior capstone amounted to them doing literally nothing. They blew up several motor driver boards, shorted a battery (thank god it was lead and not lithium), .... and accomplished nothing.
They passed. Because Athletic Department gets its way. They are now Engineers.
If it happens there... a mid-major where football is a running joke... im betting it happens at all the power conference schools.

That breeds a deep level of resentment very fast.
No number of Anthony Gonzalez geniuses will make up for that.

 

[Steve19]

At Ohio State,I was visited by somebody from the athletics department my first day on the job. They made it clear to me the athletes in my classes– –more than 10 across three classes– –were required to be in class for every session. They asked me to call them immediately if a player did not appear in class. I was told very openly that I could give no benefit of any kind, even a pencil or piece of paper, to a student athlete. They were to be held to the rules in the syllabus and graded by the same standard as every other student, without exception.

At UNC, I received a similar visit, even though I was there as a visiting research professor and not teaching a class.

 

[shetuck]

At Ohio State,I was visited by somebody from the athletics department my first day on the job. They made it clear to me the athletes in my classes– –more than 10 across three classes– –were required to be in class for every session. They asked me to call them immediately if a player did not appear in class. I was told very openly that I could give no benefit of any kind, even a pencil or piece of paper, to a student athlete. They were to be held to the rules in the syllabus and graded by the same standard as every other student, without exception.

At UNC, I received a similar visit, even though I was there as a visiting research professor and not teaching a class.

Yeah sure… but what about at UCT?

 

[Jaxbuck]

We are ok with an 18 year old kid signing up for a 4 year hitch in the military, not going to school right away and using his GI Bill to get a degree later.

Why will the world stop spinning if 18 year old kids who are good at sports do something very similar?

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

We are ok with an 18 year old kid signing up for a 4 year hitch in the military, not going to school right away and using his GI Bill to get a degree later.

Why will the world stop spinning if 18 year old kids who are good at sports do something very similar?

I have no issue with this. I just don't think anyone will give a darn when it officially becomes NFL-AAA ball.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

At Ohio State,I was visited by somebody from the athletics department my first day on the job. They made it clear to me the athletes in my classes– –more than 10 across three classes– –were required to be in class for every session. They asked me to call them immediately if a player did not appear in class. I was told very openly that I could give no benefit of any kind, even a pencil or piece of paper, to a student athlete. They were to be held to the rules in the syllabus and graded by the same standard as every other student, without exception.

At UNC, I received a similar visit, even though I was there as a visiting research professor and not teaching a class.

When I was back in Columbus for a few years in the early 00's, I dated a professor and got to know most of her faculty crowd friends. They all said they were never pressured to give athletes special treatment. They also said that many of the football players that they'd have in a 100 level History or Physics class were simply unprepared for any kind of serious major (sub 1000 SAT scores, no college prep, shitty high schools), and they were--a'la Simple Jim--steered to sports management and communication majors.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I have no issue with this. I just don't think anyone will give a darn when it officially becomes NFL-AAA ball.

To each their own. How much a player makes or if he goes to class has never meant anything to me.

I root for Ohio State because it represents Ohio. The place I am from.

If that’s a AAA league now, so be it. As long as my mortal enemy can be found in the same league so revenge can be had, I’m in.

 

[Steve19]

Yeah sure… but what about at UCT?

South African professors support the Springboks, Proteas, and Bafana Bafana, as you bloody well know, you reprobate!

 

[kn1f3party]

At Ohio State,I was visited by somebody from the athletics department my first day on the job. They made it clear to me the athletes in my classes– –more than 10 across three classes– –were required to be in class for every session. They asked me to call them immediately if a player did not appear in class. I was told very openly that I could give no benefit of any kind, even a pencil or piece of paper, to a student athlete. They were to be held to the rules in the syllabus and graded by the same standard as every other student, without exception.

At UNC, I received a similar visit, even though I was there as a visiting research professor and not teaching a class.

This is what I would have expected. At a place like Ohio State you've got to think there is a much wider microscope over improper benefits for student athletes. I'm not surprised in the least it seems wildly less regulated in a mid-major school.

 

[kujirakira]

This is what I would have expected. At a place like Ohio State you've got to think there is a much wider microscope over improper benefits for student athletes. I'm not surprised in the least it seems wildly less regulated in a mid-major school.

The school i was working at plays this weekend. There's a very large microscope there.
But i recogni its a unique situation and they never worry about NCAA.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Skull Session: Ross Bjork Wins His Introductory Press Conference, The NCAA’s Proposed Subdivision Costs Millions and C.J. Stroud is a Rookie of the Year Finalist

Ross Bjork wins his press conference, the NCAA’s proposed subdivision would cost Ohio State millions and C.J. Stroud is a Pepsi Rookie of the Year finalist.

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COUNT THE COST. On Dec. 5, 2023, NCAA president Charlie Baker proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes from trust funds and NIL.

The proposal, which Yahoo Sports’ Ross Dellenger and The Athletic’s Nicole Auerbach obtained, featured several recommendations for NCAA Division I members to consider:

• The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities for female and male athletes.
• Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of Division I. Those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size, as well as transfers and NIL.
• Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly. This is not currently permissible under NCAA rules.
• Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.

Ross Bjork commented on Baker's proposal in his introductory press conference on Wednesday. He was pleased to see Baker and the NCAA acknowledge that higher-resource schools are “different.” However, he called Baker's plan more of a conversation starter than a finished product.

“The highest resource institutions are different. Finally, the NCAA acknowledged that. We have a leader in Charlie Baker who has at least acknowledged that as a starting point. All the programs with over $100 million budgets are different. ... To me, the highest resource institutions can house a lot of these key elements – financial, player relationships and player negotiations. That's the model we have to get to. What that looks like and how that works will be determined.”

While Baker's proposal could use a few tweaks, what would happen if the plan came into effect before the 2024 college football season? How much would Ohio State spend to enter the “elite subdivision”?

The Washington Post added up the cost for the Buckeyes: $14.3 million – the most among all colleges and universities.

ESTIMATED COST TO JOIN NEW SUBDIVISION

SCHOOL	ATHLETES	MINIMUM COST	2022 REVENUE	% OF REVENUE
OHIO STATE	950	$14.3 M	$251.6 M	5.7%
MICHIGAN	853	$12.8 M	$210.7 M	6.1%
PENN STATE	792	$11.9 M	$181.2 M	6.6%
NORTH CAROLINA	771	$11.6 M	$122.6 M	9.4%
CALIFORNIA	745	$11.2 M	$109.6 M	9.5%

How did The Washington Post generate the estimated costs?
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