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Ohio University to play Ohio State in 2008

OU went 4-7 last year, it's hard to draw big crowds when ya have a losing record, especially for a mid major thats located in the middle of southeast Ohio. Their bball games are gettin pretty decent crowds and fan support right now because they may be a tournament team.
 
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Steve19;1092501; said:
You are right that Ohio State has finally been allowed to lift its admission standards after decades of being forced essentially to take anyone who completed high school in Ohio.

I have to take exception to at least one thing you say. There is nothing new about high standards at Ohio State. Let's take a look at psychology. We're talking about a University where Carl Rogers and Abraham Maslow delivered lectures/published books in psychology. Where Frederick Taylor did the first work motivation studies and where seminal human resource theories first were promulgated. In the 1960s, the definition of marketing adopted by the American Marketing Association was The Ohio State University definition, and it was proudly proclaimed as such. America's first school of ceramic engineering was at Ohio State, it's best education faculty and one of its best journalism schools (I know how you guys love to point at yours now). The great Theodore Levitt at Harvard Business School came out of an Ohio State doctoral program and so did half of the marketing faculty at Northwestern's top rated Kellogg School.

Which business school's faculty were consulting to Bank One when they invented the ATM machine, the Visa credit card, 24-hour banking, personal banking, electronic funds transfer at point-of-sale? Who was consulting to Huntington when they invented bank by phone?

On whose campus was the bar code invented? And who brought the science of logistics into the modern era?

I could go on and on but it is unnecessary.

ORD may go over the top, he even says so, but what he is drawing your attention to and what you guys fail to admit is that there was an orchestrated programme to cut state subsidies to Ohio State and it gutted most of these programs in the late 1970s. The goal of that strategy was to build up the other Ohio universities and it was a failure.

As I said, I respect anyone who holds a degree from an accredited Ohio university. I especially tradition of public universities where kids without parental support could put themselves through and change their lives.

But, I and many others here feel as strongly as ORD about attempts to somehow argue that Ohio University and Ohio State are equivalent, that degrees from the schools hold the same cache or that somehow Ohio State is just managing to separate itself from the others recently.

To hold these views does not require arrogance. After all, I am someone who flunked out of Ohio State after two quarters and only did well when I returned from the Army. So, it should be clear that I do not feel myself superior to anyone.

However, it would be dishonest and disrespectful to myself and those who taught me, if I allowed others to dismiss the difference between other Ohio universities and Ohio State as inconsequential, when I know the personal sacrifices that so many faculty, alumni, and staff made to make sure those differences remained throughout the difficult years of insufficient funding.

I had to look this up.

I'm not sure if you were inferring this, but I could not find any relation to Ohio State and the invention of the barcode, ATM or Visa. Did I understand your post correctly?
 
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Claretwasframed;1093219; said:
I had to look this up.
Claretwasframed;1093219; said:
I'm not sure if you were inferring this, but I could not find any relation to Ohio State and the invention of the barcode, ATM or Visa. Did I understand your post correctly?

Yes, you did. Remember that we are talking nearly half a century ago and the internet doesn't do well in that regard. In quickly looking for information, in fact, I found a lot of information that is incorrect in respect of ATM machines.

The barcode was invented at Battelle Memorial Institute Battelle Memorial Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia on south campus, who hold a number of patents in that regard. Battelle Laboratory Columbus. Many research projects at BMI involve Ohio State faculty. Engineering and marketing faculty were involved in the UPC barcode project. I might add that they also invented the Xerox photocopier process and were responsible for many of the key patents for compact disc technology.

Bank One (then City National Bank) began an incredible run of banking innovations when faced with the prospects of interstate banking in the late 1960s. The innovation process drew mainly on the new science of consumer behavior, which is widely acknowledged to have had its formal beginning at a conference at Ohio State in 1969. Ohio State researchers Engel, Kollat (later top marketing guy at Limited Stores and responsible for Victoria's Secret, Bath and Body Works and Abercrombie and Fitch launches there) and Blackwell had been seminal contributors to the science since early in that decade and produced its first textbook in 1968.

IIRC, a 1990s Journal of Finance article credited City National Bank/Bank One with something like 90% of the 30 most important in consumer banking, which included the ATM, VISA card, personal banking, 24-hour banking, drive-in banking, electronic funds transfer at the point of sale, and many others including money market funds (an idea passed on to Merrill Lynch when regulatory approval was not forthcoming), as I recall.

City National involved Ohio State business school professors at board-level, started an internal college in which they involved many OSU professors, and produced a string of innovations that included the first ATM in the US (working with NCR) at the Kingsdale Shopping Center branch (where Jack Nicklaus, Woody Hayes and many other OSU celebrities and their families shopped). It is important to note that the Smithsonian Institute credits Docutel with the first ATM in the UK. However, that was a much more primitive cash dispensing machine launched in the UK by Barclays a year earlier, which only dispensed a set pack of 20 pound notes in an envelope, IIRC.

City National Bank licensed the first debit card from BankAmerica in San Francisco. They were unable to convince them to make the BankAmericard a credit card. City National promoted the concept of the VISA card, convinced other banks to join them, and did almost all of the back room processing of transactions from a facility alongside I-71 (between E N Broadway and Cooke Road) in Columbus for the next quarter century. Bank One's general manager for marketing during much of this time shared this history in a Bank One video case study when I visited Ohio State back in the 1990s. Columbus, Ohio still had the highest penetration of ATM machines of any bank in America in 2000, when I last checked.

Banking by telephone also was invented in Columbus but is credited to Huntington National Bank, who apparently also used Ohio State business school professors as consultants. As I understand the story, Bank One execs were clearly peeved because they had a system ready and announced when they would make it operational with a huge fanfare. Huntington apparently launched a less-advanced product a day earlier.
 
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Information about Bank One innovations is available at https://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Bank-One-Corporation-Company-History.html and Bank One Corporation: Information and Much More from Answers.com. These links refer to a number of articles on the bank that appeared in the popular press, often indicating links to Ohio State professors. Bank One, as a few of the titles indicate, was regarded by many as one of the most innovative and best run banks in the world. An excerpt from those webpages on Bank One history:

While Fisher's outlandish campaign gave CNB a higher profile among competitors as well as customers, his unconventional ideas were not limited to advertising. At his and McCoy's instigation, CNB became the first bank outside of California to market BankAmericard (which later became Visa) in 1966, beginning a very profitable credit card processing sideline. Handling all the data processing duties associated with the credit card, CNB helped to make BankAmericard the first nationally accepted credit card. This innovation not only poured revenue and credibility into CNB but helped transform Americans' buying and spending habits, ushering in the 'age of plastic.' In 1968, CNB helped issue more than one million credit cards through 50 banks. Two years later, on Columbus Day, Fisher activated the country's first automated teller machine (ATM). Fisher also led unprecedented, and ultimately failed, efforts into videotex-based home banking, with which customers could view their accounts and pay their bills using their television screens.

This introduces some other Ohio State links. The videotex scheme did not work for Bank One, it was too early, but is the forerunner of Internet Banking today. It used the Warner Qube system Warner-Amex Satellite Entertainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Qube predated video-on-demand by decades, an excerpt from Wikipedia:

On December 1, 1977, Warner Cable's Columbus, Ohio unit introduced the QUBE, the world's first interactive television programming system that predated Video On Demand by decades. QUBE featured 30 channels, including ten premium and pay-per-view networks and ten interactive channels operated by set-top box connected to a modem. Among the channels introduced on the QUBE were precursors to popular channels that exists today including:
  • Star Channel: Existing prior to the creation of QUBE in 1973, it served as a premium movie channel for the system. The direct precursor to The Movie Channel
  • Sight On Sound: A network that aired music programming such as concerts and music videos. It was the prototypical version of MTV.
  • Pinwheel: An educational/entertainment network aimed towards preschoolers and children. It was the prototypical version of Nickelodeon.
  • Pay-Per-View: First-run movies, sporting events, and special programming were available with a push of a button for a fee. The direct prototype of all pay-per-view services before it evolved into the On Demand service.
The late Ohio State marketing professor Wayne Talarzyk was a seminal voice for video/text capabilities in the consumer sphere that worked with Qube. He also influenced thinking at Compuserve CompuServe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Compuserve grew its business mainly on providing access for VISA transactions at the point-of-sale for Bank One.

Compuserve also is credited with many online services innovations for personal computer users. CompuServe began offering electronic mail capabilities and technical support to commercial customers in 1978 under the name Infoplex, which many identify as the first real internet email service offered privately outside the government internet environment. It also pioneered real-time chat in 1980 and file sharing between users the next year. At one point, Columbus was the second leading hub for internet traffic in the world, because of Compuserve.

I could continue but I have work to do. Let me close in saying that, were people to be more aware of the central role played by so many researchers at Ohio State, most would find that not a day goes by in which the quality of their lives was not improved by something developed or largely influenced by researchers at The Ohio State University.
 
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If Jim Tressel every showed up at my house I'd punch him square in the jaw and remind him how his football team schedules 3 MAC school's every year and loses the National Championship game after backing in back to back times.
Just a question. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.....but isn't Ohio University in the MAC?
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1147873; said:
Just a question. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.....but isn't Ohio University in the MAC?

I'm still trying to figure out how we "backed in" to the title game in 06-07 when we were undefeated and beat two teams ranked #2 in the country....
 
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Tlangs;1147917; said:
I'm still trying to figure out how we "backed in" to the title game in 06-07 when we were undefeated and beat two teams ranked #2 in the country....
You guys are passing over the best smack-down of OSU in that comment:
thexfactor19_ou said:
Ohio's #9 Field Hockey team beat #13 OSU 4-2 in 2007. Swimming and Diving beat Ohio State 152-148 in 2007. Ohio rugby DESTROYED OSU in the finals of the Ohio Rugby Classic last year and happens to be one of the best teams in the nation. Our Volleyball team hasn't faced OSU recently, but let's not forget that they haven't found themselves unranked in YEARS.
Case closed.
 
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