Oklahoma Aftermath

[zincfinger]

Why are you taking a piss on something magical? QB's can win or lose games a lot more handily than any other position, and Cardale was unbelievable. JT has never been unbelievable. Ever.

C'mon. Barrett threw for 300 yds and 3 TD's (no ints) and ran for 86 and 2 TD's in East Lansing that year. He averaged 11 and 1/2 yards per passing attempt and 6.7 yards per run. I don't know what constitutes "unbelievable", but that was as good of a QB performance as the team had that year, and it was on the road against a solid opponent.

 

[Thump]

Awesome!

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[sparcboxbuck]

Why are you taking a piss on something magical? QB's can win or lose games a lot more handily than any other position, and Cardale was unbelievable. JT has never been unbelievable. Ever.

I dunno about that. Early '14 once they figured out how to distribute the ball to playmakers, I'd say that may have been the most fun I've ever had watching tOSU offense... on par with '06 Troy era. Mind you, that also came before 59-0. That was pretty fun too. Either way, I'd say that JT was magical in getting the ball to guys who got north/south pretty quick (himself included).

 

[zincfinger]

C'mon. Barrett threw for 300 yds and 3 TD's (no ints) and ran for 86 and 2 TD's in East Lansing that year. He averaged 11 and 1/2 yards per passing attempt and 6.7 yards per run. I don't know what constitutes "unbelievable", but that was as good of a QB performance as the team had that year, and it was on the road against a solid opponent.

Just to follow up on this a little more, the biggest difference between the 2014 BigTen Championship Game and the couple of games that preceded it wasn't quarterback play, or Devin Smith, or even Ezekiel Elliott. It was the defense. They suddenly became really good, after a season of being mostly okay. There was a reason why Urban Meyer's big reaction at the end of that game was to bear hug Luke Fickell. Championship-level defense was the missing factor that suddenly appeared.

 

[jwinslow]

Why are you taking a piss on something magical? QB's can win or lose games a lot more handily than any other position, and Cardale was unbelievable. JT has never been unbelievable. Ever.

That's absurd. Did you not watch sparty 2014? In the trilogy, Cardale was a flame throwing passer that struggled a lot with the designed running game. His manhood stealing*, freight train scrambles were brilliant but more improvisational, and not every opposing team has Trey Depriest to make him look good.

Back in 2014, with Herman, JT had a much higher floor than Cardale, and that included the trilogy. Sadly everything regressed severely and JT was never his old self again.

Both guys had their flaws. They were less obvious with the talent in pads and wearing headsets in 2014.


* - even with NFL stardom, Landon still has not fully regained his.

 

[jwinslow]

 

[Jake]

Jake, we never would have made the game against Alabama without the 59-0 win, and everyone here knows that wouldn't have happened with JT.

It seems apparent not "everyone" shares your opinions.

I know you defend JT

You don't "know" any such thing. Again, firing off an opinion as though it's fact. JT has flaws, and they've gotten worse (unfortunately), but the notion that he was never any good is almost as ridiculous as suggesting the only problem with our offense is JT. I'll say it again - I hope he gets benched because either the next QB lights it up or we start running out of scapegoats for the guy being paid handsomely to run this program.

Why are you taking a piss on something magical?

We're taking a piss on your opinions, which tend to be entirely baseless or over the top with exaggerations.

 

[3yardsandacloud]

Wow, some folks need to get a grip. We lost … deal with it. We lost our last 2 big time games and looked suspect in a 3rd one … deal with it. Our QB looks broken, our WRs inept, LBs missing in action, DBs getting torched, DL mostly negated … deal with it! Our coach’s gimmicky offense has been figured out and we have to make a change … you know what I’m going to say … DWI

I get it. It’s a message board and this is what we do. We release the angst and rehash the “what could’ofs” the “we should’ofs” and the “if only’s”. But sheesh, have a little dignity and then display a little appreciation for what we (as fans) have. And I said HAVE not HAD.

We HAVE the 7th best by winning percentage head coach of all time (with 10 or more years). All freaking time. Everyone that has ever coached, since the beginning, of football, at any level in the NAIA or NCAA or any school generally accepted as a “college football program”.

There are only 3 coaches you’ve probably heard of ahead of Urban and only one is a contemporary of note. Leahy and Rockne are #3 and #2 on the list respectively. They made their mark 60+ and 80+ years ago at a little place called Notre Dame. #1 on the list is Larry Kehres who you would probably only know if you are from Ohio as he coached for Division III Mount Union and retired in 2012.

In his 16th season, Meyers has bested the likes of (in decending win %) Switzer, Osborne, Coryell, Yost, Neyland, Wilkinson, Peterson, Devaney, Stoops, Bryant, Schembechler, Saban, Chrisler, Hayes, Carr, Tressel and every other save 6. In fact, if you reduce the 10 year constraint to 5, 8 additional coaches have a better win percentage and only one of those you would have probably heard of … Walter Camp from 1888 to 1895.

That’s what we HAVE folks. Can he be wrong? Can he out-think a problem/solution? Of course. Does he not see the same issues we all offer up? Does he not see a multitude of others that we will never know about? Please. Will he fix it the way you want? Too early to tell, but he’s earned the right to run a program the way he sees fit. I must admit that I’m not a huge Urban Meyer guy. Just never had that “connection” I felt with Hayes and Tressel. But guy can flat out coach and to assume otherwise is hubris on our part. All those problem we face? Well it’s his job to “deal with it”. I’m comfortable with that.

As for Joe Thomas Barrett IV, we HAVE the only 3 year captain, National Champion, Sugar Bowl Champion, Fiesta Bowl Champion & Offensive MVP, Big Ten Champion, Silver Football Award winner, B10 QB of the Year x2, B10 Freshman of the Year, B10 most TDs in a season, OSU Career TDs, Career Passing TDs, Career Total Offense, Season TDs, Season Passing TDs, Game TDs, Game Passing TDs. He’s 27-5 over 31 games folks. That’s what we HAVE. And on the other side we have red-shirt freshman Dwayne Haskins and true freshman Tate Martell with zero game experience.

Would Haskins and Martell be better options at this point? Could be, but I think I’ll let the coaches make that call. If it comes to that point and Barrett is indeed replaced … or if JT continues to struggle due to his, or the offense’s play in general … or when he continues to take crap from the fan base do you think he will “deal with it”? I think he will, as he has in the past. I’m comfortable with that.

Now the real question … can WE all deal with it? The possibility that this season won’t turn out the way we hoped? The fact the all the preseason hype and accolades don’t mean sh!t until you earn it on the field. Or even the fact that EVERYTHING this team had as a goal (outside of being undefeated) is STILL on the table for their taking. Can we deal with that before we worry if the sky is falling? I hope so. We are The Best Damn Fans In The Land … let’s start to act like it and deal with it … whatever comes. Our team and coaches are going to face adversity and deal with it … we owe them the same.

NOTE: Not trying to call out anyone in particular as I am concerned and unhappy with the past several games too. And this post has been brewing for over a day now. It just ended up in this thread because ... well take your pick of threads ... it could have gone anywhere. It came at this point in the thread because I just found a few minutes to cut and paste it here. Just a little peeved about the mood in general from the Ohio State fan base. We’ve faced a lot worse than this … Go Bucks!

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

@3yardsandacloud - you want them to drive while intoxicated? :P

 

[3yardsandacloud]

@3yardsandacloud - you want them to drive while intoxicated? :P

No ... no one wants to "Deal With That". :-)

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Wow, some folks need to get a grip. We lost … deal with it. We lost our last 2 big time games and looked suspect in a 3rd one … deal with it. Our QB looks broken, our WRs inept, LBs missing in action, DBs getting torched, DL mostly negated … deal with it! Our coach’s gimmicky offense has been figured out and we have to make a change … you know what I’m going to say … DWI

I get it. It’s a message board and this is what we do. We release the angst and rehash the “what could’ofs” the “we should’ofs” and the “if only’s”. But sheesh, have a little dignity and then display a little appreciation for what we (as fans) have. And I said HAVE not HAD.

We HAVE the 7th best by winning percentage head coach of all time (with 10 or more years). All freaking time. Everyone that has ever coached, since the beginning, of football, at any level in the NAIA or NCAA or any school generally accepted as a “college football program”.

There are only 3 coaches you’ve probably heard of ahead of Urban and only one is a contemporary of note. Leahy and Rockne are #3 and #2 on the list respectively. They made their mark 60+ and 80+ years ago at a little place called Notre Dame. #1 on the list is Larry Kehres who you would probably only know if you are from Ohio as he coached for Division III Mount Union and retired in 2012.

In his 16th season, Meyers has bested the likes of (in decending win %) Switzer, Osborne, Coryell, Yost, Neyland, Wilkinson, Peterson, Devaney, Stoops, Bryant, Schembechler, Saban, Chrisler, Hayes, Carr, Tressel and every other save 6. In fact, if you reduce the 10 year constraint to 5, 8 additional coaches have a better win percentage and only one of those you would have probably heard of … Walter Camp from 1888 to 1895.

That’s what we HAVE folks. Can he be wrong? Can he out-think a problem/solution? Of course. Does he not see the same issues we all offer up? Does he not see a multitude of others that we will never know about? Please. Will he fix it the way you want? Too early to tell, but he’s earned the right to run a program the way he sees fit. I must admit that I’m not a huge Urban Meyer guy. Just never had that “connection” I felt with Hayes and Tressel. But guy can flat out coach and to assume otherwise is hubris on our part. All those problem we face? Well it’s his job to “deal with it”. I’m comfortable with that.

As for Joe Thomas Barrett IV, we HAVE the only 3 year captain, National Champion, Sugar Bowl Champion, Fiesta Bowl Champion & Offensive MVP, Big Ten Champion, Silver Football Award winner, B10 QB of the Year x2, B10 Freshman of the Year, B10 most TDs in a season, OSU Career TDs, Career Passing TDs, Career Total Offense, Season TDs, Season Passing TDs, Game TDs, Game Passing TDs. He’s 27-5 over 31 games folks. That’s what we HAVE. And on the other side we have red-shirt freshman Dwayne Haskins and true freshman Tate Martell with zero game experience.

Would Haskins and Martell be better options at this point? Could be, but I think I’ll let the coaches make that call. If it comes to that point and Barrett is indeed replaced … or if JT continues to struggle due to his, or the offense’s play in general … or when he continues to take crap from the fan base do you think he will “deal with it”? I think he will, as he has in the past. I’m comfortable with that.

Now the real question … can WE all deal with it? The possibility that this season won’t turn out the way we hoped? The fact the all the preseason hype and accolades don’t mean sh!t until you earn it on the field. Or even the fact that EVERYTHING this team had as a goal (outside of being undefeated) is STILL on the table for their taking. Can we deal with that before we worry if the sky is falling? I hope so. We are The Best Damn Fans In The Land … let’s start to act like it and deal with it … whatever comes. Our team and coaches are going to face adversity and deal with it … we owe them the same.

NOTE: Not trying to call out anyone in particular as I am concerned and unhappy with the past several games too. And this post has been brewing for over a day now. It just ended up in this thread because ... well take your pick of threads ... it could have gone anywhere. It came at this point in the thread because I just found a few minutes to cut and paste it here. Just a little peeved about the mood in general from the Ohio State fan base. We’ve faced a lot worse than this … Go Bucks!

Remember GPAs? This post would've gotten one.

Well stated, 3yds

 

[AKAK]

No ... no one wants to "Deal With That". :-)

I'm drunk driving right now. Own it man.

 

[BayBuck]

I'm drunk driving right now. Own it man.

Well yeah, but texting while driving?? For shame.

 

[buxfan4life]

I'm drunk driving right now. Own it man.

Well yeah, but texting while driving?? For shame.

That is all well and good, but if you fucking stop to gawk at a downed tree off the side of the road, so help me.....

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Wow, some folks need to get a grip. We lost … deal with it. We lost our last 2 big time games and looked suspect in a 3rd one … deal with it. Our QB looks broken, our WRs inept, LBs missing in action, DBs getting torched, DL mostly negated … deal with it! Our coach’s gimmicky offense has been figured out and we have to make a change … you know what I’m going to say … DWI

I get it. It’s a message board and this is what we do. We release the angst and rehash the “what could’ofs” the “we should’ofs” and the “if only’s”. But sheesh, have a little dignity and then display a little appreciation for what we (as fans) have. And I said HAVE not HAD.

We HAVE the 7th best by winning percentage head coach of all time (with 10 or more years). All freaking time. Everyone that has ever coached, since the beginning, of football, at any level in the NAIA or NCAA or any school generally accepted as a “college football program”.

There are only 3 coaches you’ve probably heard of ahead of Urban and only one is a contemporary of note. Leahy and Rockne are #3 and #2 on the list respectively. They made their mark 60+ and 80+ years ago at a little place called Notre Dame. #1 on the list is Larry Kehres who you would probably only know if you are from Ohio as he coached for Division III Mount Union and retired in 2012.

In his 16th season, Meyers has bested the likes of (in decending win %) Switzer, Osborne, Coryell, Yost, Neyland, Wilkinson, Peterson, Devaney, Stoops, Bryant, Schembechler, Saban, Chrisler, Hayes, Carr, Tressel and every other save 6. In fact, if you reduce the 10 year constraint to 5, 8 additional coaches have a better win percentage and only one of those you would have probably heard of … Walter Camp from 1888 to 1895.

That’s what we HAVE folks. Can he be wrong? Can he out-think a problem/solution? Of course. Does he not see the same issues we all offer up? Does he not see a multitude of others that we will never know about? Please. Will he fix it the way you want? Too early to tell, but he’s earned the right to run a program the way he sees fit. I must admit that I’m not a huge Urban Meyer guy. Just never had that “connection” I felt with Hayes and Tressel. But guy can flat out coach and to assume otherwise is hubris on our part. All those problem we face? Well it’s his job to “deal with it”. I’m comfortable with that.

As for Joe Thomas Barrett IV, we HAVE the only 3 year captain, National Champion, Sugar Bowl Champion, Fiesta Bowl Champion & Offensive MVP, Big Ten Champion, Silver Football Award winner, B10 QB of the Year x2, B10 Freshman of the Year, B10 most TDs in a season, OSU Career TDs, Career Passing TDs, Career Total Offense, Season TDs, Season Passing TDs, Game TDs, Game Passing TDs. He’s 27-5 over 31 games folks. That’s what we HAVE. And on the other side we have red-shirt freshman Dwayne Haskins and true freshman Tate Martell with zero game experience.

Would Haskins and Martell be better options at this point? Could be, but I think I’ll let the coaches make that call. If it comes to that point and Barrett is indeed replaced … or if JT continues to struggle due to his, or the offense’s play in general … or when he continues to take crap from the fan base do you think he will “deal with it”? I think he will, as he has in the past. I’m comfortable with that.

Now the real question … can WE all deal with it? The possibility that this season won’t turn out the way we hoped? The fact the all the preseason hype and accolades don’t mean sh!t until you earn it on the field. Or even the fact that EVERYTHING this team had as a goal (outside of being undefeated) is STILL on the table for their taking. Can we deal with that before we worry if the sky is falling? I hope so. We are The Best Damn Fans In The Land … let’s start to act like it and deal with it … whatever comes. Our team and coaches are going to face adversity and deal with it … we owe them the same.

NOTE: Not trying to call out anyone in particular as I am concerned and unhappy with the past several games too. And this post has been brewing for over a day now. It just ended up in this thread because ... well take your pick of threads ... it could have gone anywhere. It came at this point in the thread because I just found a few minutes to cut and paste it here. Just a little peeved about the mood in general from the Ohio State fan base. We’ve faced a lot worse than this … Go Bucks!

Amen.