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OL Orlando Pace (7-time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl Champion, CFB HOF, NFL HOF)

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Earlier today, I reacted violently to these comments by John Cooper, which I appear to read far more into than many others and to find offensive.

Whatever Cooper's intent, whether clumsy grammar or an attempt to detract from Tressel's accomplishment, I think my comments went over the line that I consider a poster, especially a moderator, should go.

Although no one has commented to me about this in any negative way, I feel that I let you guys down and I apologize.
 
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Steve19;630198; said:
Earlier today, I reacted violently to these comments by John Cooper, which I appear to read far more into than many others and to find offensive.
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That was nowhere near the first time the Cooper has made veiled excuses for Tressel's success compared to his...
 
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maybes its me but i dont see any negativity there. what he said was true. and i believe him you need to get breaks, in your schedule and in a handful of games to run the table. if the perception of the university/team was that he had been taking shots would he often times travel with the team and essentially have acess to the extent he does with the team?

say what ever you want about john cooper i know a few things are true.
1 he brought osu into the modern era
2 he brought the team speed concept we are knee deep in now, he made it so every postion had a target time and if you couldnt make it, tough. aka if you couldnt run you werent recruited
3 he changed the big ten, his style team brought the big ten out of the stone age and set the tone what we see now as the "spread" or skilled b10 teams
4 he couldnt beat michigan
5 he coundt get a break, he just never got "lucky"
 
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jimotis4heisman;630334; said:
say what ever you want about john cooper i know a few things are true.
1 he brought osu into the modern era
2 he brought the team speed concept we are knee deep in now, he made it so every postion had a target time and if you couldnt make it, tough. aka if you couldnt run you werent recruited
3 he changed the big ten, his style team brought the big ten out of the stone age and set the tone what we see now as the "spread" or skilled b10 teams
4 he couldnt beat michigan
5 he coundt get a break, he just never got "lucky"
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1. I'm not so sure of that, unless you consider thuggery as modern.
2. Tressel's the one who got us the team speed we have today.
3. I think there were several Big Ten teams running West Coast and spread offenses before we were.
4. Yep.
5. More times than not, you make you own luck. Good fortune is often the result of good preparation.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;630395; said:
5. More times than not, you make you own luck. Good fortune is often the result of good preparation.
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great point. the thing that kind of tweaked me a little was when i read coop's statements about the four fumbles in ann arbor. maybe the reason they got those fumbles is because the defense was more motivated and was all over the ball that day. luck only goes far, 2-10-1 is not from being "unlucky" with that said, we had some awesome really fun to watch players and teams during the coop years and he is the one to thank for that. i don't have any problem with the guy.
 
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The man lost me permanently when he said "the fans are with you win or tie" during what should have been his greatest moment as OSU's head coach. Either he meant that we're OSU bandwagoners, which whatever our other flaws may be, we're obviously not, or that we were bandwagoners when it came him, in which case he never understood that the program was bigger than him personally. Either way, to me the man's name is like Beetlejuice: Let's not say it too often and hope we don't have to hear from him much.
 
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jimotis4heisman;630334; said:
maybes its me but i dont see any negativity there. what he said was true. and i believe him you need to get breaks, in your schedule and in a handful of games to run the table. if the perception of the university/team was that he had been taking shots would he often times travel with the team and essentially have acess to the extent he does with the team?

say what ever you want about john cooper i know a few things are true.
1 he brought osu into the modern era
2 he brought the team speed concept we are knee deep in now, he made it so every postion had a target time and if you couldnt make it, tough. aka if you couldnt run you werent recruited
3 he changed the big ten, his style team brought the big ten out of the stone age and set the tone what we see now as the "spread" or skilled b10 teams
4 he couldnt beat michigan
5 he coundt get a break, he just never got "lucky"
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1-"modern era" is kind of vague, but our program wasn't really in great shape when he left in terms of academics and the product on the field

2-I won't bash past players from his last few teams here, but let's just say skill helps too

3-Actually Joe Tiller did that more than Cooper did

4-obviously true

5-He won plenty of games against Penn State and Notre Dame and Illinois and...seems his luck just happened to be always "bad" the same Saturday every year....coincidence?


Basically, my feelings are that I met Cooper a few times...he was very nice, treated me and the other fans where I was well, gladly signed my helmet, chatted with people, and I certainly don't think he was the horror some people did. I think his problem was, though it sounds cliche', I really think he just didn't get Ohio. At all. He gambled by thinking that recruiting Florida and California and Pennsylvania while letting Ohio kids go elsewhere would work well for him, and he gambled by treating Michigan like every other game. He got burned on both counts. While he certainly had plenty of fine players in the golden days of his era, too many Ohio kids came back to bite us, and the first time he sat on his couch and thought "I don't get it...I beat Penn State, I beat Notre Dame, I finish with only one loss...what the hell is it with the obsession with Michigan?" he was sunk.

Cooper is a Buckeye who devoted years of his life to doing the best he could...I thank him for that and let him go in peace, and I sure am glad I can do that given who we have now.
 
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tibor75;630397; said:
At least we can be glad that Coop didn't leave the program in a heap of a mess like Earle Bruce did.
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Jagdaddy;630435; said:
The man lost me permanently when he said "the fans are with you win or tie" during what should have been his greatest moment as OSU's head coach. Either he meant that we're OSU bandwagoners, which whatever our other flaws may be, we're obviously not, or that we were bandwagoners when it came him, in which case he never understood that the program was bigger than him personally. Either way, to me the man's name is like Beetlejuice: Let's not say it too often and hope we don't have to hear from him much.
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Coop was 100% correct with that comment.
 
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(1) What Ohio State coach blew 5 national championships in 7 years?
(2) What Ohio State coach went 7 staright years without winning a Big Ten title, the longest drought for the Buckeyes since 1935?
(3) What Ohio State coach was fired after an embarrassing loss in a minor bowl game to a team from South Carolina?
(4) What Ohio State coach posted a 4-loss season in his final year, yet left the program with so much talent that his successor was immediately able to go on a national championship run?
(5) What Ohio State coach caused the Buckeyes to be put on probation?
 
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No need to bring back the pain from the Cooper's era. One year after another...it always ended painfully except for the Rose Bowl win.

I would rather enjoy the present times and a chance to win wire to wire NC. All I had asked for was one NC every 8-10 years. Getting Two would be just sweeeeeeet.
 
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tibor75;630569; said:
Coop was 100% correct with that comment.
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Jagdaddy;630757; said:
I assume you're just putting out more bait, but if you truly believe that my respect for your intelligence has just dwindled.
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Tibor's right to a certain extent. I'm sure Ryan Hamby and Justin Zwick would agree after the way they've been treated by a segment of Buckeye fans.
 
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