Paterno vs Bowden

[Best Buckeye]

Do you think that Paterno and Bowden are "hanging in there" to end up with the record for most wins? And Thus overstaying in their careers.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Its part of it.

I think overall its just a simple case of an icon not noticing how far he's slipped with no one around him to tell him its time to call it a day.

IMO, there isn't anyone in the world who is better at their job(or almost anything else for that matter) in their 80's than they were back in the day. It just does not work like that.

 

[buckiprof]

I saw the title for this thread, and I thought maybe there was some sort of "Battle of the Bowels" that I missed.

Sometimes, people in any line of work hang on too long because their work is their life. They wouldn't know what else to do. I can't help but see some of that in play here, especially with Paterno.

 

[THEOhioState]

At least JoePa has had a better season in recent years.

Two years ago, he had a one-loss team and PSU finished #3 in the nation.

I don't even know the last time FSU finished in the top 10.

 

[Taosman]

The Nit fans are really pissed this time! Wonder how long that will last?
Wonder how long Joe can hold down that program?
The fans have gone down hill with the program.
Wonder if there's a correlation?

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

In 2000, when JoePa and Penn State were in free-fall, Bobby was asked if he would retire if he saw the program start to deteriorate. The elder Bowden asked for clarification, and was asked specifically how many losses in a season would cause him to retire.

His response was, "Oh, four or five".

His records since making that statement:

2001: 8-4
2002: 9-5
2003: 10-3
2004: 9-3
2005: 8-5
2006: 7-6
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[Best Buckeye]

Maybe he meant 4 or 5 losses 4 or 5 years in a row.
I firmly believe that Joepa can still coach. Even though we beat them I felt that the fundamentals were there but not the talent.
I think that Joe has problems recruiting and that is his downfall. He is a grand old coach that I admire greatly but it is time. And that is my vote :(.
I don't really know what Bobby's problem is but he apparently should step down also.

 

[AKAK]

Maybe he meant 4 or 5 losses 4 or 5 years in a row.
I firmly believe that Joepa can still coach. Even though we beat them I felt that the fundamentals were there but not the talent.
I think that Joe has problems recruiting and that is his downfall. He is a grand old coach that I admire greatly but it is time. And that is my vote :(.
I don't really know what Bobby's problem is but he apparently should step down also.

Dude... don't take this the wrong way.... because I know its going to hit home with you...

But... the problem is that those guys are really, really, really, really old.



(Oh... and... ummm... there are schools other than Duke, Wake, and NC State in the ACC now, and PSU doesn't get to play the Service Academies every week anymore.... ummm.... that too)

 

[sandgk]

Dude... don't take this the wrong way.... because I know its going to hit home with you...

But... the problem is that those guys are really, really, really, really old.



(Oh... and... ummm... there are schools other than Duke, Wake, and NC State in the ACC now, and PSU doesn't get to play the Service Academies every week anymore.... ummm.... that too)

And all the play-calling, and the bulk of player development is in the hands of Johnson, Hall, Bradley and the beneficiary of nepotism ... Paterno Jr.

and Paterno isn't really coaching any more.

 

[AKAK]

And all the play-calling, and the bulk of player development is in the hands of Johnson, Hall, Bradley and the beneficiary of nepotism ... Paterno Jr.

and Paterno isn't really coaching any more.

I'm pretty sure Bowden never coached in the first place... but.. neither here nor there, really.

 

[Best Buckeye]

And all the play-calling, and the bulk of player development is in the hands of Johnson, Hall, Bradley and the beneficiary of nepotism ... Paterno Jr.

and Paterno isn't really coaching any more.

He coaches the coaches , just like good old Coop .
And I still like him even if he is really, really, really, really old.
After all I'm still a young man in my prime.
And here is a question for you guys, Say Joe leaves and his son takes over and doesn't do any better in say 3 years how long does he last?

 

[sandgk]

He coaches the coaches , just like good old Coop .

Eh, no - but if you want to joke about a growing abomination on the coaching landscape then go right ahead.

And I still like him even if he is really, really, really, really old.
After all I'm still a young man in my prime.

I never said, and nobody here said they didn't like him as a public figure - for heavens sake he is a legend in the game. He is, however, past his prime. His actions are becoming odder as time goes on.
There are some who claim that JoePa was always brusque with the media, that he was always crotchety and stern.
Know what, these are folks with shorter memories than you (or maybe even you and I).
It is showing in his increasingly brusque behavior and odd antics. Before he thoroughly embarrasses himself and the institution he loves, he should step aside.

And here is a question for you guys, Say Joe leaves and his son takes over and doesn't do any better in say 3 years how long does he last?

That's a hypothetical that will not fly. The Penn State alumni are not going to stand for the beneficiary of nepotism taking over. So, not 3 years, more like 3 picoseconds.

 

[Best Buckeye]

That's a hypothetical that will not fly. The Penn State alumni are not going to stand for the beneficiary of nepotism taking over. So, not 3 years, more like 3 picoseconds.

Ok I can agree with that , and with that being said then WHO is the next coach at PSU?

 

[Taosman]

Next coach will be Bradley, the "D" coordinator.

 

[BuckeyeTillIDie]

looks to me that they want to be program builders and program destroyers