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QB Kenny "the old righty" Guiton (WR Coach Wisconsin)

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xcrunner;1396105; said:
well its the 40-yard dash not 40 meters
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I know the first 40 meters/yards have to be slower than the middle or final segments.

40 yards is equal to 36.58 meters. 100 yards is equal to 91.44 meters. 1. TO CONVERT TIME FROM:
100 yards to 100 meter: add .9 sec.

Or to look at it another way... in 1933 Jesse Owens set the national high school 100 yard dash record at 9.4. "Bullet" Bob Hayes, Olympic sprint champ and Cowboys' receiver is one of the last Olympic level sprinters to be timed mechanically in the 100, ran it in 9.1. Add .9 for conversion and Owens runs a 10.3 100 meter and Hayes runs a 10 flat. That's comparable to what both achieved in reality.

Now if you break that down into 10 yard segments, .94 + .94 + .94 + .94 that means Jesse would have had to run the first 40 in 3.76 seconds, OR he didn't run the first 40 in 3.76, but ran other segments faster than .94.

Likewise a kid running a 4.2 would go 4.2 + 4.2 + 2.1 + .9 = 11.4 .....uh, hmmmmmm

Here are the finals from last year's state track meet. 100 meters I grant you, but I also used the conversion to get an approximate 100 yard time for the first and last runners:

1 774 James Allen 12 Young. East 10.77 - .9 = 9.8 100 yds
2 184 Carlin Isles 12 Massillon Ja 10.78 8
3 215 Princeton Bryson 12 Tol. Bowsher 10.84 6
4 730 DeVier Posey 12 Cin. LaSalle 10.87 5
5 305 Mark Mays 11 Clayton Nort 10.87 4
6 401 Ryan Jones 12 Day. Thurgoo 10.93 3
7 250 Blake Callahan 12 Col. Whetsto 10.98 2
8 741 Kendall Owens 12 Cin. LaSalle 11.14 1 = 10.24 100 yds

So the top 8 in the state would have run the 100 yards between 9.8 and 10.2

Hmmmmmmm, no Jessies or Bullet Bobs there.... nonetheless, If you believe that a kid's time in the first 40 is equal to the remaining 60 yards, then James Allen ran a 3.9 and Kendall Ownes ran a 4.09.

If you take this kid's 4.9 + 4.9 + 2.5 (+ .9) , he's running a 12.2 100 yard dash. or a 13.2 100 meters. That won't win many meets... My point is that I think this kid is fast and that his coach is timing him the way he should be timed. His first 40 probably is about 4.9 and that he runs faster, much faster, the rest of the way.

I've yet to see someone timed for football coming out of blocks, I don't believe you're faster from a standing start than from blocks, I've yet to see mechanically timed 40s, and I don't believe in high school kids posting Olympic level 40 times.


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AFTER I DID ALL THE MATH AND STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT, I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT PERHAPS FOOTBALL TIMES AREN'T THAT FAR OFF FROM TRACK TIMES. MAYBE LOTS OF KIDS DO RUN A 4.2 40, WITHOUT BLOCKS.
 
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cincibuck;1396223; said:
I've yet to see someone timed for football coming out of blocks, I don't believe you're faster from a standing start than from blocks, I've yet to see mechanically timed 40s at football camps and I don't believe in high school kids posting Olympic level 40 times.
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And yet, if what you're suggesting about Guiton's time being more "accurate" in a pure sense, it is at least inconsistent with the timing methods of other recruits and therefore inaccurate as a relative comparison to his peers. For as well-regarded a national prospect as he is, known to have pretty good speed as a dual-threat QB, it seems unlikely he runs a "4.9"
 
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From back in October:

Rivals.com Football Recruiting - From the Road: Houston heats up (free)

QB KENNY GUITON (6-2/178), Aldine (Texas) Eisenhower
CONSIDERING: Holds offers from Iowa State Kansas, Rice and others.
PERFORMANCE: He was 8-of-18 for 153 yards with three touchdowns and an interception, and also rushed for a 49-yard touchdown in a 56-28 win over Aldine (Texas) High.
STRENGTHS: Guiton is athletic and a good scrambler. When scrambling, he also does a good job of keeping his eyes downfield and looking for receivers to convert their routes. He is every bit of 6-2.
WEAKNESSES: Needs to compact his release. He doesn't put good spin on the ball and rarely throws a tight spiral.
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HT: 6-foot2
WT: 178 lbs.
GPA: 3.3
SAT: 1340


That tells me he has some time and room to grow AND that he's no dumb jock who is good on the field, he can do it in the classroom and probably can grasp the game pretty well....
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1396335; said:
Read back through the thread and didn't see a conformation. Kenny did get his "official" offer once he arrived on campus and he did "officially" commit...correct?
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Correct...it's official...
 
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wadc45;1396964; said:
Scout $ - 'Dream Come True' For Guiton

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By Jardy...goes through the whole process from the start of the OSU staff contacting him to visiting this past weekend...talks about hanging out with Shugarts during his visit.

This is like a Texas version of the Domicone story from last year...
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Pulling JB and Kenny out of Texas is a very good thing for tOSU recruiting, if only for a familiar accent when kids visit in the future.
 
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Last-minute offer relief for Ike QB
Ohio State gets Eisenhower QB after others pass
By SAM KHAN JR. Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
Feb. 5, 2009

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James Nielsen Houston Chronicle
It looked like Eisenhower quarterback Kenneth Guiton had lost out by playing the waiting game until Big Ten power Ohio State offered him a scholarship last Thursday.

Sometimes, playing the waiting game can backfire on a football recruit. That appeared to be the case for Eisenhower quarterback Kenneth Guiton.

After fielding four offers from Houston, Iowa State, Kansas and Rice last summer, the 6-2, 178-pound standout decided to wait. And why not? After throwing for 2,592 yards and 17 touchdowns as a junior and with a big senior campaign ahead, Guiton figured there would be more to come.

Before long, he waited himself out of offers as those schools withdrew. Guiton got lucky by picking up an offer from Prairie View in January and was set to become a Panther ? until Ohio State came calling.

The perennial Big Ten power offered Guiton a scholarship Thursday and hosted him on an official visit Saturday. By Wednesday morning, he was sitting wide-eyed with his Eisenhower teammates signing a national letter of intent to spend his college career with the Buckeyes.

?It was a relief,? Guiton said. ?I called the coaches as soon as I faxed my letter to be sure they got it and everything went well.?

Eisenhower coach Ray Evans said he was surprised how quickly Ohio State moved. Recruiting coordinator John Peterson flew down Wednesday in search of a quarterback to add to the two the Buckeyes have on their roster. He met with Evans, watched game film and picked up Guiton?s transcript information. When Peterson returned to Columbus the next day, he called and informed Evans that head coach Jim Tressel and the Buckeyes were offering Guiton a scholarship.

?It was literally a 24-hour process,? Evans said. ?I only dealt with them a short time, but they sure do know how to do business.?

Guiton, who threw for 4,262 yards and 34 touchdowns in his final two seasons, is thrilled to be heading to Columbus.

?It?s just a whole different level of football and I feel it?s a level I can compete on,? Guiton said. ?I?m going to come in as the third-string quarterback and I?m hoping to work my way up from there.?
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Ohio State gets Eisenhower QB after others pass | High School Headlines | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
Feeling proud
Kenny Guiton said he would have been proud to sign a national letter of intent no matter where it was about to take him.

But when Ohio State stepped up last week and made a late offer to the quarterback from Aldine, Texas, he said he could stick his chest out a little more during the signing ceremony at Eisenhower High School.

The group included receivers Greg Timmons (Texas) and Jaz Reynolds (Oklahoma) and the nation's top safety prospect, Craig Loston (LSU).

"I felt very good to be signing with Ohio State," said Guiton, who had been courted by Rice, Houston, Iowa State and Prairie View A&M. "We all know Ohio State is on another level."

Now, after a whirlwind courtship, it's official. He is a Buckeye.

"The last few days, it has been great," Guiton said. "I can't wait until I get up there."

He said he will report in June to enter summer school and go through summer conditioning drills for the Buckeyes.
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BuckeyeXtra - The Columbus Dispatch : OSU notebook: Gateway duo extends trend to tap Pa. talent
 
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It's great to get another QB on the roster. He can get some work in, to take some of the reps from TP and JB so they don't get worn out. He has the chance to progress as a player and be ready to step in if an injury occurs and in a couple years, when the QB spot is open, he'll have a leg up on whoever the Bucks sign in the next few years. Great get by JT and the staff, a smart kid with untapped potential and a game similar enough to TP's that he can step in and play if needed without too much of a change in offensive philosophy .
 
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