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RB Erik Haw (official thread)

Trslfan said:
All I got to say is Haw can flat out move!!! I have the 04 big33 on dvd and he has got some speed. My friend lives 3 houses down from where Haw grew up in Berwick and she spoke with him on Saturday. She told me everyone is excited about this year , They really think they will win it all..... Its awesome to hear shit like that
This gets to the essence of my question. Obviously, Haw has tremendous straight-ahead speed. The 40-time attests to that. But, Maurice Hall has tremendous straight-ahead speed as well, and is comparable in size to Haw. My question (with the caveat that Hall's knees probably hampered his production) is, does Haw have the intangible, the instinct, the vision on top of the top-flight speed and decent size which, on their own, don't lead to consistent dominance from the backfield?
 
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zincfinger said:
This gets to the essence of my question. Obviously, Haw has tremendous straight-ahead speed. The 40-time attests to that. But, Maurice Hall has tremendous straight-ahead speed as well, and is comparable in size to Haw. My question (with the caveat that Hall's knees probably hampered his production) is, does Haw have the intangible, the instinct, the vision on top of the top-flight speed and decent size which, on their own, don't lead to consistent dominance from the backfield?
From what I've heard, most of Hall's yards in HS were gained on runs to the outside, where as Haw ran mostly between the tackles. Hall's knees really did do a number on his career. I really don't see why the comparison to Hall, other then they come from the same league
 
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The comparison (Haw vs. Hall) isn't based on coming from the same league, it's based on comparable fundamental physical attributes (size and speed). From what you're saying, Haw has a greater ability to gut out tough yards and break tackles in the box (at least compared to Hall at the same stage in his career). This is what I was hoping to hear. Vision and low center of gravity? These are the things that I'm hoping to hear attributed to Haw.
 
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zincfinger said:
I don't know how much weight he gained since H.S., but this is pretty close to Haw.

Haw came to OSU at 6'1" and 210. You can bet that Haw is bigger than 210 lbs after a season of weight training. I would guess he's about 220 now. With that sub 4.3 speed, he could be something.
 
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Something else to consider when comparing the two is that Hall never had to have vision (because of his H.S'. running style) and I think we saw that in college unfortunately.

Haw having ran between the tackles so much in high school will hopefully have developed this priceless RB attribute a little more thoroughly.
 
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I believe that Hall came in at around 185 lbs.

When Hall was in high school he simply outran people.

I think he put on some weight to try and cope with the pounding that goes along with being a running back in the Big 10 and that hurt him as far as his playing. He still had some great speed, but his body wasn't meant to be as big as he got. Same with Ross, IMO.

Haw comes in used to playing at around 210-215 and doesn't really need to bulk up, imo. He has been pretty durable to date. I have always maintained that size is over rated when talking about running backs. If you excelled in high school and got an offer from Ohio State playing at 185-190 and that's where you are comfortable playing, then that's where you should stay. I hate that Mo Wells is talking about bulking up because I feel that he might try and become a player that he isn't. Leave him alone and get him the ball in the open field and let him work.

Haw is big enough and fast enough that he can run guard-tackle and cut back to daylight. Give him a crease and he's off to the races.
 
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YSU Buck

You are 100% correct about the perception that these guys must balk up.It ruined Ross;he lost all his burst.Mo Hall just had too many injury problems,great kid and great team player.I also echo your sentiments about incoming Mo Wells.I think he is being told by everyone that in the Big Ten you must be a big back,but not true.Wells is a muscular kid,he's lean and not bulky and I hope he stays that way,lean and mean and quick.I am always skeptical about the 40 times for high school players,like Haw running in the 4.3's.Usually tha't more myth than science for all high school players.One of the few high school players that actually had legit 40 times was Joey Galloway and they were pretty consistent.Go Bucks.
 
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Am I the only one who's more interested in a power running back than another speed back? I would much rather have someone who can break tackles and power over people (eddie george, jonathan wells, even MoC when he was playing) than someone who just tries to run away from the defense and has no chance of gaining any yards when the defense reads the play. I especially think this is crucial in a BCS title game where the potential to play against faster defenses is possible, particularly in light of the fact that the Big Ten is viewed (even if not correctly) as a slower, more run-oriented game relative to the football played in the South and West. I'm not saying that Haw isn't going to be a great RB for us, I'm just saying I hope he's a power back or a combination of a power back and a speed back, and not only a speed back. Then again, maybe I'm just sick and tired of watching Ross and his inability to break tackles the last few years.
 
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I don't see many similarities between Haw and Hall at all. Hall was a speed back, coming out of high school at less than 190. Haw is fast, but at 6'1, he is tremendously more powerful, and his experience has been running mainly power carries up the middle. Haw is a true Big 10 back.
 
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OK, I am going to give my input, because I played against Maurice Hall in High School, and being that I played in the city league I have also seen Eric Haw on a few occasions, and I can say that when Maurice played for Brookhaven he had a monster O-line and with his sub 4.3 speed he would hit that corner and be a gonner more often than not it is true that he got most of his yards off of speed more so than pure RB skills but it wasn't his fault that he was faster than anyone else on the field, lol.
I think he would have been a great running back in the acc, I always thought that he would have better fit Florida St.
Now Eric Haw, he ran behind linemen that were smaller than him and Im not exagerating, and managed to get a lot of his yards on his own off of his instincts and speed, he also run with a low center of gravity.
But if you wanna know someone who Ohio state missed the boat on it is Garry Russell, he is going to be a monster at Minnesota when his time comes.
 
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MARVYMARV14 said:
Now Eric Haw, he ran behind linemen that were smaller than him and Im not exagerating, and managed to get a lot of his yards on his own off of his instincts and speed, he also run with a low center of gravity.
That's critical, in my view. Look at a guy like Anthony Davis. Yeah, he's a speedster (not overly big), but what really made him tough to bring down was that he played low and had good patience and vision. Even a sledgehammer like Clarett; no doubt he was strong as hell, but the thing that made him elite rather than just another solid power back was his vision and instincts. The list could go on, but the bottom line is that it's those intangibles, even though individual style may vary greatly, that are common to the great backs.

Not to say that the physical measurables aren't extremely important, but if one or two of the young backs can demonstrate that immeasurable spark, that's what'll put the Bucks in business on offense.
 
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http://www.the-ozone.net/football/2005/springcamp/tailbackbattle.htm
Tailback Battle Not Between Enemies
By John Porentas The Buckeyes come into spring drills looking for a tailback but have only two candidates in camp, redshirt freshman Eric Haw and sophomore Antonio Pittman. There is definite competition at that spot, but according to Pittman, it doesn't spill over on the off-field relationship between the two candidates.

"It's a battle, who's going to be the running back, but throughout it all we're friends," said Pittman.

"There's no animosity toward anybody. We're friends, we laugh, we joke, we hang around each other, but somebody has to play.

"We're taking it as a war, but we know that throughout it all we're friends," said Pittman.

Both Pittman and Haw have worked hard in the weight room getting ready for their on-field battle this spring. Pittman, who played at 180 to 185 last season, says he has picked up weight, strength, and power, and hopes to continue that trend right into fall camp.

"I've still got a couple more pounds to gain. I'm 195 now. I want to go into camp at least 205, because I know I'm going to drop in camp, and I want to play at 197 or 198," Pittman said.

Haw, meanwhile, didn't gain weight, but did change his body composition.

"I got the baby fat off. I weigh about the same, about 210, but I'm leaner. I got a little bit quicker," said Haw.

Both players are trying to get stronger, and Pittman, who saw some action last season, says there is good reason for that.

"Blocking," said Pittman.

"That was the hardest thing I had to deal wit last year was blocking. With me playing last year at about 185 pounds and taking on guys that are 230 or 240, that was the hardest thing for me last year."

Neither, however, are worried about their ability to matriculate the ball up the field.

"We definitely bring a lot of speed to the table, both of us have good speed," said Haw.

"A lot of teams are going to recognize that these two guys can go the distance."

Haw said that after just one day, he could feel the difference between his role this year vs. last year.

"It seems like there's an urgency to get a nice solid running game. That's what we're out here to do," Haw said.

"There's definitely more reps. There's a battle going on and we want to get to be the best we can, both me and Antonio," said Haw.

Though the battle for the starting position is now officially on, running backs coach Dick Tressel has yet to clue his two prize charges in on specifically how they will be evaluated.

"He hasn't really spilled any beans, him or his brother," said Haw.

"Me and Antonio switch back and forth with the ones, they keep it real balanced. They just let the work proceed."

According to OSU Head Coach Jim Tressel, the battle is likely to remain a two-man fight throughout the spring. Unlike last year, there isn't someone like Brandon Joe at the fullback spot who could take some reps at tailback as well.

"I don't know if any of them (current fullbacks) have the tools that Brandon had to cross over to tailback," said Tressel.

"I think that maybe they could do a little bit of that, but Brandon had a lot of years of playing tailback in his day. Brandon Schnitker and Stan White and Dionte Johnson, I'm not sure they've been mistaken in any drills as a tailback."
 
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MARVYMARV14 said:
Now Eric Haw, he ran behind linemen that were smaller than him and Im not exagerating, and managed to get a lot of his yards on his own off of his instincts and speed, he also run with a low center of gravity.
Yeah, I just checked out VG's clips on Haw (which I guess were from his Sr. season?), and he looks like he's one of the biggest guys on the field. Granted, 210's a big back at the H.S. level, but the rest of the field seemed pretty undersized.

He had some pretty decent power runs against that undersized H.S. field; I'm looking forward to seeing his adjustment to going up against defenders that outweigh him by 20-90 lbs. Here's hoping that he can add some smash-mouth back to the Buckeye running attack.
 
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Oh the hype! We are probably expecting too much from Haw and Mo Wells! It is important that they contribute on the field some how! Just hang onto the dam ball! If one back is even solid it could be huge! But , again, the hype!
 
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