SimPLLLLLLLe Jim "6-13" Harbaugh (B1G Suspenders McKhakiPants, Cheater Cheater Booger Eater)

[Jaxbuck]

If you can have 8 draft picks on your team and still go 2-4 while ducking your biggest rival - who would have been an overwhelming favorite - what's that say about your coach? That can't be a good look for Hairball.

I could add that the combined estimation here on BP as to the quality of Michigan's on-field talent seems to be in sharp contrast with what NFL scouts and GMs see. Maybe the DFBITL is right about the talent they can attract. They just don't do much with what they have.

Nothing really new about any of it. There is no question tsun does less with more than almost anyone. Better head coaches would have done more with the talent he's had, no doubt. They just had the second most NFL players in the B1G and their record sure as hell doesn't reflect it. Then again, look at the draft picks. An edge rusher and OL who were surrounded by mediocrity at tsun and therefore easy to negate. A reasonably talent WR with no one to get him the ball. The rest of their picks are special teams guys if they even stick on a roster. McGrone absolutely sucked. Same for their corner Thomas. Ben Mason the FB/DT, Chris Evans and their long snapper (yes, an NFL GM drafted a long snapper). Those guys/positions aren't going to beat an Ohio State or Bama that has a first round QB throwing to a bunch of first round skill players.


All comes back to the man at the top being mentally defective and having no coherent plan for recruiting, roster management or the modern game of football in which good offense beats good defense.

 

[Steve19]

The best coach in college football. Period. One day this guy will be in the Hall of Fame for his many seminal contributions to The Game.

 

[MaxBuck]

The best coach in college football. Period. One day this guy will be in the Hall of Fame for his many seminal contributions to The Game.

I've never really known the definition for "seminal," but what you say suggests to me it has something to do with the splooge on the keyboard of the typical Buckeye fan when we read that Harbaugh's contract has been extended.

 

[pnuts34]

Nothing really new about any of it. There is no question tsun does less with more than almost anyone. Better head coaches would have done more with the talent he's had, no doubt. They just had the second most NFL players in the B1G and their record sure as hell doesn't reflect it. Then again, look at the draft picks. An edge rusher and OL who were surrounded by mediocrity at tsun and therefore easy to negate. A reasonably talent WR with no one to get him the ball. The rest of their picks are special teams guys if they even stick on a roster. McGrone absolutely sucked. Same for their corner Thomas. Ben Mason the FB/DT, Chris Evans and their long snapper (yes, an NFL GM drafted a long snapper). Those guys/positions aren't going to beat an Ohio State or Bama that has a first round QB throwing to a bunch of first round skill players.


All comes back to the man at the top being mentally defective and having no coherent plan for recruiting, roster management or the modern game of football in which good offense beats good defense.

I think we are truly at a point now where teams like OSU and Bama could beat scUM starters by 3-4TDs... with their 2nd stringers! And I'm not even kidding. I honestly think that a team led offense of:
Kyle McCord, Miyan Williams, Julian Fleming, and Marvin Harrison Jr.
Would destroy scUM.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I think we are truly at a point now where teams like OSU and Bama could beat scUM starters by 3-4TDs... with their 2nd stringers! And I'm not even kidding. I honestly think that a team led offense of:
Kyle McCord, Miyan Williams, Julian Fleming, and Marvin Harrison Jr.
Would destroy scUM.

I think there is certainly a massive gap between the top 3-4 and the rest of the top 10-15. Perhaps as pronounced as it's ever been.

Claiming top 10 or 15 status as a benchmark of success doesn't mean anything close to what it used to mean. That team would get destroyed by the top 3 teams no matter who it is.

Hell, last year OSU was clearly the second best team in the country and got boat raced by #1. In 2019, an all time OSU team would have had their hands full or been beaten by LSU's all time time if they hadn't been jobbed in Arizona.

It's kind of like what the Bowls have turned into. Who cares who was #12 or #15 and who cares who won the Blue Bonnet Bowl?

Playoff Bowl games and the CheezIt Bowl are the only ones left that matter.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

I think there is certainly a massive gap between the top 3-4 and the rest of the top 10-15. Perhaps as pronounced as it's ever been.

Claiming top 10 or 15 status as a benchmark of success doesn't mean anything close to what it used to mean. That team would get destroyed by the top 3 teams no matter who it is.

Hell, last year OSU was clearly the second best team in the country and got boat raced by #1. In 2019, an all time OSU team would have had their hands full or been beaten by LSU's all time time if they hadn't been jobbed in Arizona.

It's kind of like what the Bowls have turned into. Who cares who was #12 or #15 and who cares who won the Blue Bonnet Bowl?

Playoff Bowl games and the Cheez-Int Bowl are the only ones left that matter.

Fify

 

[jakenick06]

Just a master class in cashing in on all sizzle and no steak. 2 B1G titles with considerably less talent.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Just a master class in cashing in on all sizzle and no steak. 2 B1G titles with considerably less talent.

Tells me OSU was excellent from 2001-2005 and again '15-'21

others, not so much

 

[pnuts34]

I think there is certainly a massive gap between the top 3-4 and the rest of the top 10-15. Perhaps as pronounced as it's ever been.

Claiming top 10 or 15 status as a benchmark of success doesn't mean anything close to what it used to mean. That team would get destroyed by the top 3 teams no matter who it is.

Hell, last year OSU was clearly the second best team in the country and got boat raced by #1. In 2019, an all time OSU team would have had their hands full or been beaten by LSU's all time time if they hadn't been jobbed in Arizona.

It's kind of like what the Bowls have turned into. Who cares who was #12 or #15 and who cares who won the Blue Bonnet Bowl?

Playoff Bowl games and the CheezIt Bowl are the only ones left that matter.

But wasn't this kind of inevitable. As the NFL has become more and more popular, the JV version(CFB) was going to follow suit with a post season and end game that becomes the most popular spectacle. As fun as it was for years, for people to watch 20+ meaningless bowls since the beginning of time, its shown that people want a proper end to the season with a crowning bowl game. And the meaningless bowl games, have become even more meaningless. If you ain't in the CFP(and tbh, there's only 1 spot available) then your team is honestly irrelevant, and CFB has become even more regional, and changed the way that classic rivalries are interpreted. On a national stage, The Game is The Game, mainly in the midwest. But to many, Clemson is a major rivalry game for us. And Bama will be seen as a revenge game. No one is going into 2021 season and honestly wondering the outcome in The Game. OSU's legacy is less intertwined with scUM by the year, and moreso with Clemson/Bama/CFP

 

[Jaxbuck]

But wasn't this kind of inevitable. As the NFL has become more and more popular, the JV version(CFB) was going to follow suit with a post season and end game that becomes the most popular spectacle. As fun as it was for years, for people to watch 20+ meaningless bowls since the beginning of time, its shown that people want a proper end to the season with a crowning bowl game. And the meaningless bowl games, have become even more meaningless. If you ain't in the CFP(and tbh, there's only 1 spot available) then your team is honestly irrelevant, and CFB has become even more regional, and changed the way that classic rivalries are interpreted. On a national stage, The Game is The Game, mainly in the midwest. But to many, Clemson is a major rivalry game for us. And Bama will be seen as a revenge game. No one is going into 2021 season and honestly wondering the outcome in The Game. OSU's legacy is less intertwined with scUM by the year, and moreso with Clemson/Bama/CFP

I was of the opinion for many years that a playoff of any sort would start the ball rolling on watering down the regular season of CFB which, to me, was the greatest thing in sports.

The Bowl games are the first casualty but the rest is coming. Very soon an end of year rivalry like The Game will be impacted because a team is resting starters or some other circumstance around that game not meaning anything for the playoffs. I'm not a traditionalist and I'm not resisting change. After seeing the playoff era and being old enough to remember pre playoff, I'd vote to go back to the traditional B1G vs PAC in the Rose Bowl model and let the Southern Americans argue over which SEC team is the National Champ every year. I don't really give a fuck.

 

[Onebuckfan]

I was of the opinion for many years that a playoff of any sort would start the ball rolling on watering down the regular season of CFB which, to me, was the greatest thing in sports.

The Bowl games are the first casualty but the rest is coming. Very soon an end of year rivalry like The Game will be impacted because a team is resting starters or some other circumstance around that game not meaning anything for the playoffs. I'm not a traditionalist and I'm not resisting change. After seeing the playoff era and being old enough to remember pre playoff, I'd vote to go back to the traditional B1G vs PAC in the Rose Bowl model and let the Southern Americans argue over which SEC team is the National Champ every year. I don't really give a fuck.

Count me all in. The playoff is all political very little about finding the best team. Play games in the North East and West but instead it’s an SEC invitational.

 

[gmen6981]

I think there is certainly a massive gap between the top 3-4 and the rest of the top 10-15. Perhaps as pronounced as it's ever been.

Claiming top 10 or 15 status as a benchmark of success doesn't mean anything close to what it used to mean. That team would get destroyed by the top 3 teams no matter who it is.

Hell, last year OSU was clearly the second best team in the country and got boat raced by #1. In 2019, an all time OSU team would have had their hands full or been beaten by LSU's all time time if they hadn't been jobbed in Arizona.

It's kind of like what the Bowls have turned into. Who cares who was #12 or #15 and who cares who won the Blue Bonnet Bowl?

Playoff Bowl games and the CheezIt Bowl are the only ones left that matter.

And of course the CheezIt Bowl is on a whole other level and in a class by itself.

 

[Oh8ch]

I was of the opinion for many years that a playoff of any sort would start the ball rolling on watering down the regular season of CFB which, to me, was the greatest thing in sports.

The Bowl games are the first casualty but the rest is coming. Very soon an end of year rivalry like The Game will be impacted because a team is resting starters or some other circumstance around that game not meaning anything for the playoffs. I'm not a traditionalist and I'm not resisting change. After seeing the playoff era and being old enough to remember pre playoff, I'd vote to go back to the traditional B1G vs PAC in the Rose Bowl model and let the Southern Americans argue over which SEC only the National Champ every year. I don't really give a fuck.

This

I have a friend who doesn't understand why I get excited about OSU football when they fail at the end of almost every season. To him it is not a great season if you make the playoffs - only if you win it.

 

[pnuts34]

Count me all in. The playoff is all political very little about finding the best team. Play games in the North East and West but instead it’s an SEC invitational.

Except we're a part of the few teams benefitting from those politics...

This

I have a friend who doesn't understand why I get excited about OSU football when they fail at the end of almost every season. To him it is not a great season if you make the playoffs - only if you win it.

That way of thinking was inevitable, and what fans thought they wanted. And if I'm a fan of OSU, Bama or Clemson then I'm fine. The rest of the country really has nothing much to cheer for as far as end of the season games.

I was of the opinion for many years that a playoff of any sort would start the ball rolling on watering down the regular season of CFB which, to me, was the greatest thing in sports.

The Bowl games are the first casualty but the rest is coming. Very soon an end of year rivalry like The Game will be impacted because a team is resting starters or some other circumstance around that game not meaning anything for the playoffs. I'm not a traditionalist and I'm not resisting change. After seeing the playoff era and being old enough to remember pre playoff, I'd vote to go back to the traditional B1G vs PAC in the Rose Bowl model and let the Southern Americans argue over which SEC team is the National Champ every year. I don't really give a fuck.

I think will always keep rivalries going though. That's engrained in sports, the players and coaches will also keep rivalries somewhat relevant. But the relevance will be mainly regional over time, IMO. The Game in time will be no more important than OU-OKst, and the same will happen to Bama-Auburn, USC-UCLA, etc

 

[cincibuck]

But the relevance will be mainly regional over time, IMO. The Game in time will be no more important than OU-OKst, and the same will happen to Bama-Auburn, USC-UCLA, etc

Nothing has happened that has lessened the Old Oaken Bucket game for IU and Purdue fans. Oregon and Oregon State still fill the stands. Wazuu and Washington still hate on one another. IMO OU and Okie State, at 90 - 18 - 7, is NOT a rivalry game. Texas - Oklahoma is where the blood gets spilled and that shows no signs of weakening. What has happened to the USC - UCLA game is the one game that breaks the mold. USC evidently considers the Notre Dame game more important and the last game of the year gig is gone.

I don't see The Game losing any interest - though it got to the point where I could barely stand to watch it in the 90's. Given the money, facilities, alum support, both schools possess, this current one-sidedness will pass and things will even out as they have since 1900.