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Some BCS facts for your SEC friends

Nutriaitch;1066160; said:
Maybe it does, at least indirectly. I think maybe since before the Civil War actually kicked-off, southerners kinda bonded and stuck together with that "us vs. the world" mentality. I don't know if that brotherhood type feeling exists among northern states or not, but it does among the Gulf coast states for sure. So while I don't think chanting SEC has anything to do with "fuck the north", the atmosphere surrounding the war may have helped contribute to this attitude of "togetherness" the SEC seems to have.

With that being said, I still hope Auburn is swallowed by a large sinkhole of raw sewage and Phat Phuck Phil chokes to death on a twinkie. And while we're at it, screw Bama too. And geaux to hell Ole Piss! I think that about covers it.

I would agree with this. That while it isn't a north-south thing now, the war of northern aggression created the us vs "the world" atmosphere that is prelevant now. And that applies to southern non-sec schools in florida and and georgia and virginia, in addition to the northern schools. SEC fans take pride in their conferance.

I hate auburn and phat phil and bama as well, but for some reason, i root for them in their bowls. Especially Auburn, that is team i hate the worst. Good grief, i hate auburn...hate em
 
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ray6072;1066267; said:
I hate auburn and phat phil and bama as well, but for some reason, i root for them in their bowls. Especially Auburn, that is team i hate the worst. Good grief, i hate auburn...hate em


I root for the Big 10 in bowls as well, however, I would never start a "BIG.......TEN" chant at a game though.


I find the S...E...C chant hilarious. Keep it up.
 
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schwab;1066170; said:
The North pretty much won, right? I certainly mean that in an innocent, follow-up-to-Civil-War-question way. Maybe the loss still lingers...

To answer your question, yes the North won. :mad2: :biggrin: To dive a little deeper, I think the resentment that still lingers is more from Reconstruction than the war itself. The Reconstruction period was brutal for southerners, and that probably has more to do with riff that still lingers between the two regions. Probably why most (if not all) State Capitol buildings in the South face the South. Of course, this is all just guesses on my part, but it's all I could come up with.
 
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Nutriaitch;1066160; said:
I don't know if that brotherhood type feeling exists among northern states or not, but it does among the Gulf coast states for sure.
In Ohio, we like all the states...'cept one.


With that being said, I still hope Auburn is swallowed by a large sinkhole of raw sewage...

I would hope the same for _ichigan, but I dislike the state so much, I don't care to see any improvement.
 
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BUCKYLE;1066375; said:
I would hope the same for _ichigan, but I dislike the state so much, I don't care to see any improvement.

Can't say I feel that way about our neighbors. Louisiana pretty much ranks 49th in all meaningful economic and education categories. If not for Mississippi, we'd be dead last. So I kinda hope those rednecks don't go anywhere.
 
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I thought I'd dust this one off for 2008: All data updated

Since the inception of the BCS system in 1998 B10 vs SEC head to head in Bowl games:

Bowl Games: B10 15 SEC 14
# of winning Bowl seasons: B10 5 SEC 3 (3 ties)
Total combined scores of all Bowl games: SEC 772-B10 734
Average Bowl Game score: SEC 27-B10 25
When B10 is higher ranked team: 6-6
When SEC is higher ranked team: 7-6
When both unranked or same rank: B10 3-SEC 1

  • The B10 leads head to head on the field in Bowl games 15-14 and that is with the flagship program laying a tremendous egg (OSU 0-4 in this period).
  • Again, the data just does not support the opinion that the SEC is far and away superior to the B10 as far as the top of the conference (Bowl eligible) schools are concerned.
  • This all really comes down to the 2006 loss to UF by OSU. Never has one school and its entire conference been so villified for one loss. Its just amazing.
Bowls Year by year(year is for season not actually played), rankings are from AP:

1998: 2-0 B10
#15 UM 45-#11 Ark 31
#22 PSU 26-(NR) UK 14

1999: 2-1 B10
#9 MSU 37-#10 UF 34
#8 UM 35-#5 AL 34
#19 Purdue 25-#21 UGA 28

2000: 1-1
#17 UM 31-#20 Auburn 28
#19 OSU 7-(NR) USC 24

2001: 3-0 SEC
#22 OSU 28-#14 USC 31
#7 ILL 34-#12 LSU 47
#17 UM 17-#8 UT 45

2002: 2-1 B10
#12 UM 38-#22 UF 30
(NR) Minn 29-#25 Ark 14
#10 PSU 9-#19 Auburn 13

2003: 2-1 SEC
#13 Iowa 37-#17 UF 17
#10 Purdue 27-#11 UGA 34
(NR)Wisky 14-(NR)Auburn 28

2004: 2-1 B10
(NR)Minn 20-(NR)AL 16
#11 Iowa 30-#12 LSU 25
#16 Wisky 21-#8 UGA 24

2005: 1-1
#21 Wisky 24-#7 Aub 10
#25 Iowa 24-#16 UF 31

2006: 2-1 B10
#12t Wisky 17-#12t Ark 14
(NR)PSU 20-#17 UT 10
#1 OSU 14-#2 UF 41

2007:2-1 SEC
#18 Wisky 17- #16 UT-21
(NR)scUM 41- #9 UF 35
#1 OSU 24 - #2 LSU 38

2008: 1-1
NR Iowa vs NR South Carolina
#19 MSU 12 - #16 UGA 24
 
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Well...if Florida can win, which I think they will, then you really can't knock the SEC in the BCS era. They'd have 5 BCS championships between 3 schools. They already have 4 BCS championships between 3 schools in the past 10 years. That's pretty special. Auburn also got the shaft one year. Their conference has had a great decade on the national stage, and i'm not going to act like they haven't. Ohio State has had a great deal of sucess in the BCS. If people just want to point to the last two BCS championship games, then that's silly. Ohio State has been great in the BCS since it started. Lately the SEC has been the conference that is on top. I know that SOME SEC fans like to act that the SEC is the only good conference, and everybody else sucks. That's obviously not the case, and these are the type of people and ideas that piss me off. There is great football all over the country. The SEC has had more success lately...and it would be hard to say they haven't been the best conference in the BCS era...especially if the point is to win BCS championships. They have been better, but are they head and shoulders above the rest??? I say no. Don't get too cocky when you are up...because the fall from being that high can hurt like a bitch. Ask Notre Dame and Michigan. Yuck.
 
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Well...if Florida can win, which I think they will, then you really can't knock the SEC in the BCS era. They'd have 5 BCS championships between 3 schools.
The funny part about all of the bashing is that all 5 of those titles (if UF wins) came against much maligned OSU & OU (they can't hide behind OSU any longer, especially with a much larger strain of blemishes on their resume).
 
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jwinslow;1354169; said:
The funny part about all of the bashing is that all 5 of those titles (if UF wins) came against much maligned OSU & OU (they can't hide behind OSU any longer, especially with a much larger strain of blemishes on their resume).

The first one was Tennessee over FSU.
 
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Jaxbuck;1245184; said:
This all really comes down to the 2006 loss to UFO by SOU. Never has one school and its entire conference been so vilified for one loss. Its just amazing.

I have a theory about that Jax.

It was not just the fact you lost, it was the fact that there was this month long fight about the #2 team to face tOSU.

It was very heated. I remember reading here about how Urban was non-classy for campaigning for #2. How Michigan was so much better than Florida. How Ohio State and Michigan were clearly, undoubtedly the two premier programs, and how it would be a shame to let Florida in the BCSCG.

If you remember, the hue and cry over the horrible injustice done to Michigan by the voters in the polls that allowed Florida to jump to number two was actually quite large. How it was Lloyd being classy and not campaigning enough that made the BCSCG that unfair deal, how the two best teams were denied a chance to play the game to match The Game just a month earlier, how the "body of work" for Michigan was so much more impressive than the gimmicky offense that was Florida.

Well, it was not losing to Florida that was the deal. It was the total destruction of the Skunkbears by USC, followed by the dominating win by Florida, but only after hearing endlessly how much better an all Big-10 game would have been. It was not just you losing, it was the hype for two teams that was heard at such a loud volume for such a long time, only to have them both waxed in their bowls.

Had Michigan not been punked, it would not have been as bad for y'all. Synergy, is how I see it.

The subsequent losses by Big-10 elite in major games (I do not include the fine win by Michigan over UF as one of the major games, as we were not that highly ranked, but it was a great Big-10 win), you in Baton Rouge and out west to USC, and now Penn State being done by halftime in the Rose (let alone the Zooker being crushed last year too), and it now is what it is.

My long point is that it is not just that game that did it, but the weird deal where the two teams who were touted as the best two teams in college football, the "Best of all time" stuff about the Buckeyes and the Heisman winner with a narrow number 2 in M*chigan that was the reason for the fall.

An unusual level of expectation was demolished, followed by several years of similar debacles by Big-10 elite in BCS games.

That is not your fault guys, as much as Michigan and Illinois and Penn State AND you.

Sucks. Kick some shorthorn ass. If, however, your secondary gets torched by McCoy, you have a good many years until you'll get over the bad press. I hated to see this, as your guys do not need the added pressure of being the last line of defense in saving the Big-10 rep.

Kicking the Ole Ball Coaches ass is not > that the ass whooping by USC. So it is up to you guys.
:oh:
 
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