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Bucklion said:
I think this is the salient point. Forde wasn't equating the acts of the perpetrators, but the reactions of the fans to significant punishment of the football program. I still think it's a bull[Mark May] point for this very reason, but I don't think he was saying tattoos = rape = pedos
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Agree with you. However, I think he's dead wrong and simply fabricating a response from the Buckeye fanbase that simply didn't happen for a more dramatic effect in his story.

If his intent was to lump the act of exchanging trinkets for tattoos in with hiding pedophilia and rape...well, that's simply ludicrous.
 
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muffler dragon said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/baylor...y-side-of-college-fandom-221333422-ncaaf.html

Keeping this out of the Baylor thread, because the part I'm displaying doesn't have much to do with it.



I can't remember if Forde has a hard on for the Buckeyes or something of the sort, but how does he (and others of his mindset) not see the dissimilar considerations from a high level viewpoint? Pedophilia, Rape and Tattoos. One of these things is not like the other. Coupled with the reaction of the Administration (regardless of the mindless trolls in all fan bases) that took care of business in short order. How does this [Mark May] get raised as even being remotely aligned? SMH
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Bucklion said:
I think this is the salient point. Forde wasn't equating the acts of the perpetrators, but the reactions of the fans to significant punishment of the football program. I still think it's a bull[Mark May] point for this very reason, but I don't think he was saying tattoos = rape = pedos
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I think his point is that certain fans still seem to think that Tressel was fired/disciplined because of "free tattoos" That is not why - he was fired/disciplined for lying to the NCAA, in order to play otherwise ineligible players. The alignment is not one of the degree of the underlying offense, but in the act of covering up the offense, and the fanbase being ok with it. Of course, that doesn't mean Forde isn't full of it. He is. Most Ohio State fans do think Tressel deserved to be fired for lying to the NCAA.
 
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Woody1968 said:
I think his point is that certain fans still seem to think that Tressel was fired/disciplined because of "free tattoos" That is not why - he was fired/disciplined for lying to the NCAA, in order to play otherwise ineligible players. The alignment is not one of the degree of the underlying offense, but in the act of covering up the offense, and the fanbase being ok with it. Of course, that doesn't mean Forde isn't full of it. He is. Most Ohio State fans do think Tressel deserved to be fired for lying to the NCAA.
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Very true. But many fans MIGHT not feel the same way had we replaced JT with some tool like James Franklin. He's probably right in noting that it's far easier to let go when the follow up is a rock star. Had we followed up with mediocrity, there's a solid chance that folks would later come out of the woodwork to say that JT never should have been removed in the first place. ...that's just how fans are...
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Very true. But many fans MIGHT not feel the same way had we replaced JT with some tool like James Franklin. He's probably right in noting that it's far easier to let go when the follow up is a rock star. Had we followed up with mediocrity, there's a solid chance that folks would later come out of the woodwork to say that JT never should have been removed in the first place. ...that's just how fans are...
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That's possible...though I think many more would be like "This is Ohio State, why did we hire this mediocre douchebag? Let's get person X from Y State". A lot of people were happy to see Cooper go but we're not happy with the Tressel hire at the time, because they had no idea who the hell he was.
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Very true. But many fans MIGHT not feel the same way had we replaced JT with some tool like James Franklin. He's probably right in noting that it's far easier to let go when the follow up is a rock star. Had we followed up with mediocrity, there's a solid chance that folks would later come out of the woodwork to say that JT never should have been removed in the first place. ...that's just how fans are...
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I don't think that was going to be the case with us, as we did not have the stench of decades worth of covered-up child rape lingering around our program.
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Very true. But many fans MIGHT not feel the same way had we replaced JT with some tool like James Franklin. He's probably right in noting that it's far easier to let go when the follow up is a rock star. Had we followed up with mediocrity, there's a solid chance that folks would later come out of the woodwork to say that JT never should have been removed in the first place. ...that's just how fans are...
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i have to disagree with you on this one to be honest. the best predictor for future behavior is often found in ones past. while its certainly true i wasn't around the day woody was fired. my suspicion is once people became aware of the reason for the dismissal, it was seen as an acceptable response based on action. same holds true for jt.

who the next coach is doesn't seem to hold weight in my eyes either to be honest. its not like pedo state fans just yesterday started their crusade...
 
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martinss01 said:
i have to disagree with you on this one to be honest. the best predictor for future behavior is often found in ones past. while its certainly true i wasn't around the day woody was fired. my suspicion is once people became aware of the reason for the dismissal, it was seen as an acceptable response based on action. same holds true for jt.

who the next coach is doesn't seem to hold weight in my eyes either to be honest. its not like pedo state fans just yesterday started their crusade...
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I agree. Once Earl settled into 9-3 mediocrity every year, there really was no reexamination of or regret and anger over Woody's firing. It was more about whether Earl was up to the job and moving forward.
 
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Saw31 said:
As much as we like any particular coach, they are only caretakers of the program. The program is bigger than any coach. And the University is bigger than the program. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be the best at everything we do, including athletics, as long as that doesn't jeopardize the priorities of the University...
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Which JoeBots either can't see...or absolutely refuse to see.
 
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Saw31 said:
As much as we like any particular coach, they are only caretakers of the program. The program is bigger than any coach. And the University is bigger than the program. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be the best at everything we do, including athletics, as long as that doesn't jeopardize the priorities of the University...
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absolutely correct.

and to take your statements one step further, there is absolutely nothing wrong being a fan of someone or something and also admitting that said thing and or person(s) has had a lapse of judgment or two. possibly even a significantly horrible lapse in judgment. i wouldn't have 1 issue with pedo state fans worshiping at the joesus idol if they were willing to admit there was the "possibility" that the guy screwed up in a major way and some pretty uncool stuffs went down. whether they actually believe that to have happened is immaterial. its the fact that they can't even entertain the possibility that i find terrifying.
 
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Saw31 said:
As much as we like any particular coach, they are only caretakers of the program. The program is bigger than any coach. And the University is bigger than the program. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be the best at everything we do, including athletics, as long as that doesn't jeopardize the priorities of the University...
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Yeah, you wouldn't last long as an SEC SEC SEC fan.
 
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martinss01 said:
i have to disagree with you on this one to be honest. the best predictor for future behavior is often found in ones past. while its certainly true i wasn't around the day woody was fired. my suspicion is once people became aware of the reason for the dismissal, it was seen as an acceptable response based on action. same holds true for jt.

who the next coach is doesn't seem to hold weight in my eyes either to be honest. its not like pedo state fans just yesterday started their crusade...
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And people were over the Tressel firing during the shitty 2011 season. Urban wasn't on the radar yet. Yeah, they were probably wishing it hadn't happened. But it's not like Paterno or Briles at all in that sense.
 
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